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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    The Hussars were a legacy of the Polish nobility's Sarmatian origin. The Sarmatians were Scythians who intermarried with Turkic peoples to form groups like the Jewish Khazars (who helped found Hungary) from where the word originates.
    Hussars are legacy of late 14th/early 15th century Serbian heavy cavalry mercenaries serving in Poland (who set ridiculously high standards), as even Poles themselves acknowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    The Hussars were a legacy of the Polish nobility's Sarmatian origin. The Sarmatians were Scythians who intermarried with Turkic peoples to form groups like the Jewish Khazars (who helped found Hungary) from where the word originates.
    Hussar relly comes from a turkic word, but meaning a light cavalry. Heavy armored hussar is just a polish adaptation then there aren't a continuum between them and Scytho-Sarmatians.

    Light Hussars were used even during WWII:

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmoo View Post
    Hussars are legacy of late 14th/early 15th century Serbian heavy cavalry mercenaries serving in Poland (who set ridiculously high standards), as even Poles themselves acknowledge.
    Huzars yes, but not necessarly Hussars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrificed Ram View Post
    Hussar relly comes from a turkic word, but meaning a light cavalry. Heavy armored hussar is just a polish adaptation then there aren't a continuum between them and Scytho-Sarmatians.

    Light Hussars were used even during WWII:
    They evolved militarily.
    Spoiler!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    Huzars yes, but not necessarly Hussars.
    Hussars originated from Huzars.

    Nothing weird in that. that is well known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmoo View Post
    Hussars are legacy of late 14th/early 15th century Serbian heavy cavalry mercenaries serving in Poland (who set ridiculously high standards), as even Poles themselves acknowledge.
    Hussars are not related to heavy cavalry. Serbians had not heavy cavalry by Western sense. Serbians (similar to other orthodox countries) had not knights not even knightly culture. Some hired foreign mercenary knights in Serbia can't supersede that fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stears View Post
    Hussars are not related to heavy cavalry. Serbians had not heavy cavalry by Western sense. Serbians (similar to other orthodox countries) had not knights not even knightly culture. Some hired foreign mercenary knights in Serbia can't supersede that fact.
    No. Serbia had a knights.

    See him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo%C5%A1_Obili%C4%87

    Miloš Obilić (Serbian Cyrillic: Милош Обилић, pronounced [mîloʃ ôbilit͡ɕ]; died June 15, 1389) was a Serbian knight in the service of Prince Lazar, during the invasion of the Ottoman Empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    No. Serbia had a knights.

    See him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo%C5%A1_Obili%C4%87

    Miloš Obilić (Serbian Cyrillic: Милош Обилић, pronounced [mîloʃ ôbilit͡ɕ]; died June 15, 1389) was a Serbian knight in the service of Prince Lazar, during the invasion of the Ottoman Empire.
    What you called knights in the 21th century is not considered knights in western sense, and it is a clear anachronism. Knights were also social orders in medieval western societies, not only simply heavy cavalry. Heavy cavalry exist since the empires of the ancient era, despite of this they are not called automatically as knights. We can not even call these units heavy armoured in western sense, because you had not technology to make full plate armours, just the old chain mails (Which was considered obsolete in the west from the 14th century). Some hired western knights existed in Serbia, as foreign mercenaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stears View Post
    What you called knights in the 21th century is not considered knights in western sense, and it is a clear anachronism. Knights were also social orders in medieval western societies, not only simply heavy cavalry. Heavy cavalry exist since the empires of the ancient era, despite of this they are not called automatically as knights. We can not even call these units heavy armoured in western sense, because you had not technology to make full plate armours, just the old chain mails (Which was considered obsolete in the west from the 14th century). Some hired western knights existed in Serbia, as foreign mercenaries.
    You didn't say that Serbia didn't have "Western type of knights", but you said that Serbia didn't have any knights. which is wrong.

    Btw. there was some western knights in the time of Dušan Empire (he invited them),but no, Miloš Obilić is indogenous Serb without any other ethnictiy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    You didn't say that Serbia didn't have "Western type of knights", but you said that Serbia didn't have any knights. which is wrong.

    Btw. there was some western knights in the time of Dušan Empire (he invited them),but no, Miloš Obilić is indogenous Serb without any other ethnictiy.
    Wrong. Serbia had not Serbian origin knights (in western sense) , just hired western mercenaries.
    Dusan was too timid to wage real war in battlefields. He had many sieges against cities or castles, but he always carefully avoided battles and battlefields.

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