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    Why do people consider Hallstatt Nordid the purest, most exemplar form? Is East Nordid/Corded Nordid not closer to the original Indo-European form? Also, why do people consider East Nordid as having Cromagnid admixture, given they often have softer features than the Hallstatt type?




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    Also, what is more Mediterranid, Hallstatt or East Nordid?

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    Good question.

    Halstatts look more Germanic and East Nordids look more Slavic. I'm of the belief that pre-Germanic Scandinavia (pre-R-haplogroups) was inhabited by Slavic peoples. Bryan Sykes, Oxford geneticist and spearhead of haplogroup research, has identified I-haplogroups as Slavic, and I is even named Ivan.

    But although Slavic I-haplogroups were in Scandinavia before Germanic R-haplogroups were, I-haplogroups still weren't indigenous to the area. "Indigenous" and "original" are a bit misleading, since the habit of humans is constant migration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arduti View Post
    Good question.

    Halstatts look more Germanic and East Nordids look more Slavic. I'm of the belief that pre-Germanic Scandinavia (pre-R-haplogroups) was inhabited by Slavic peoples. Bryan Sykes, Oxford geneticist and spearhead of haplogroup research, has identified I-haplogroups as Slavic, and I is even named Ivan.

    But although Slavic I-haplogroups were in Scandinavia before Germanic R-haplogroups were, I-haplogroups still weren't indigenous to the area. "Indigenous" and "original" are a bit misleading, since the habit of humans is constant migration.
    That's just not true, pre-Germanic Scandinavia wasn't Slavic, but was proto-Germanic-Balto-Slavic (Corded) mixed with the Neolithic inhabitants (which is where pretty much ALL I is from (originally H-G, assimilated by farmers).

    Also, R-haplogroups are found basically all over Europe, you can't call it Germanic, Poland is mostly R as is Russia, yet they are clearly Slavic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arduti View Post
    Good question.

    Halstatts look more Germanic and East Nordids look more Slavic. I'm of the belief that pre-Germanic Scandinavia (pre-R-haplogroups) was inhabited by Slavic peoples. Bryan Sykes, Oxford geneticist and spearhead of haplogroup research, has identified I-haplogroups as Slavic, and I is even named Ivan.

    But although Slavic I-haplogroups were in Scandinavia before Germanic R-haplogroups were, I-haplogroups still weren't indigenous to the area. "Indigenous" and "original" are a bit misleading, since the habit of humans is constant migration.
    I get you're new seeing your join date, but Y DNA shouldn't be used that loosely. Have you heard of eupedia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamlet View Post
    That's just not true, pre-Germanic Scandinavia wasn't Slavic, but was proto-Germanic-Balto-Slavic (Corded) mixed with the Neolithic inhabitants (which is where pretty much ALL I is from (originally H-G, assimilated by farmers).

    Also, R-haplogroups are found basically all over Europe, you can't call it Germanic, Poland is mostly R as is Russia, yet they are clearly Slavic.
    Poles have predominantly Slavic admixture but that has nothing to do with haplogrouping and to which "tribe" they belong. Admixtures can be cycled-in or cycled-out of any tribe within 10 generations, particularly if they are selectively breeding with their new local population.

    The pervasiveness of Frankish tribes (and the overarching tribe of Ashkenaz) in Europe cannot be understated.

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    Firstly you need to understand that the Corded-Danubian mixing theory used by Coon to explain the origin of the Skandonordid or, if you prefer, the 'pure' and classic Nordid form, is debatable.
    The morphological structure of the Nordid type is not adapted to cold environments and the specialisation in general is much closer to Mediterranids, particularly West-Mediterranid, than to robust Cromagnid-derived types of Northern Europe. In fact we can call them brother types. So, the specific traits associated with the type most likely came from more southern lands with relatively warm climates and mixed with Cromagnids and maybe even with archaic Proto-Nordids that already lived there after reaching Northern and Central Europe where they begin to develop light pigmentation.
    Every Europid type is in reality a mix of different strains and generally fall into two basic categories: Aurignacids, the common ancestor of all leptodolichomorph Europid types and Cromagnids, or a mix of both.
    Skandonordid is considered the purest Nordiform type because it's a very distinct Nordeuropid leptomorph form that lacks significant Cromagnid admixture and don't underwent processes like Alpinisation or Balticisation.
    The very tiny Cromagnoid component of the East-Nordid type is typically reduced and gracilized and this is a simplistic explanation for the characteristic softer, but still very progressive, features.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    Firstly you need to understand that the Corded-Danubian mixing theory used by Coon to explain the origin of the Skandonordid or, if you prefer, the 'pure' and classic Nordid form, is debatable.
    The morphological structure of the Nordid type is not adapted to cold environments and the specialisation in general is much closer to Mediterranids, particularly West-Mediterranid, than to robust Cromagnid-derived types of Northern Europe. In fact we can call them brother types. So, the specific traits associated with the type most likely came from more southern lands with relatively warm climates and mixed with Cromagnids and maybe even with archaic Proto-Nordids that already lived there after reaching Northern and Central Europe where they begin to develop light pigmentation.
    Every Europid type is in reality a mix of different strains and generally fall into two basic categories: Aurignacids, the common ancestor of all leptodolichomorph Europid types and Cromagnids, or a mix of both.
    Skandonordid is considered the purest Nordiform type because it's a very distinct Nordeuropid leptomorph form that lacks significant Cromagnid admixture and don't underwent processes like Alpinisation or Balticisation.
    The very tiny Cromagnoid component of the East-Nordid type is typically reduced and gracilized and this is a simplistic explanation for the characteristic softer, but still very progressive, features.
    Okay but did the original Corded type have Cromagnid admixture, as is E. Nordid not defined as being Corded+CM (yes, I know Corded is rough).

    Also, the Ancient Greek Nordid () is MUCH more like East Nordid, due to the much larger, higher nose. Is the Ancient Greek type idolised in their statues not the ideal for anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamlet View Post
    Okay but did the original Corded type have Cromagnid admixture, as is E. Nordid not defined as being Corded+CM (yes, I know Corded is rough).
    Also, the Ancient Greek Nordid ... is MUCH more like East Nordid, due to the much larger, higher nose. Is the Ancient Greek type idolised in their statues not the ideal for anything?
    The Corded type is a relatively pure leptodolichomorphic and part of the Nordomediterranid parafamily, the Cromagnid element is insignificant or non-existent.
    This is a modern painting and has nothing to do with Ancient Greeks, Hellenic statues and paintings almost always represent Mediterranoid individuals.

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