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    ZEITmagazin: Sie gehörten im Kosovo der Minderheit der Roma an. Wie erging es ihr im Krieg der Serben gegen die Albaner?

    Bislimi: Nach dem Kriegsende sind Hunderttausende vertrieben worden. Das wurde in den deutschen Medien kaum zur Kenntnis genommen. Denn das Opfer, der von den Serben unterdrückte Albaner, konnte ja nicht auf einmal der Täter sein. Die Pogrome gegen die Roma und Aschkali gingen von der albanischen Bevölkerung aus. Es sollte eine ethnische Säuberung stattfinden.

    ZEITmagazin: In Kosovo you belonged to the minority of Roma. What happened in the war serbs against albanians?

    Bislimi: After the war hundredthousand of roma were ethnically cleans. That was not shown in media, because the albanians who were the victims of serbs couldnt be suddenly the criminals. The pogroms against roma and ashkali came from albanian population. It was a ethnic cleansing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    ZEITmagazin: Sie gehörten im Kosovo der Minderheit der Roma an. Wie erging es ihr im Krieg der Serben gegen die Albaner?

    Bislimi: Nach dem Kriegsende sind Hunderttausende vertrieben worden. Das wurde in den deutschen Medien kaum zur Kenntnis genommen. Denn das Opfer, der von den Serben unterdrückte Albaner, konnte ja nicht auf einmal der Täter sein. Die Pogrome gegen die Roma und Aschkali gingen von der albanischen Bevölkerung aus. Es sollte eine ethnische Säuberung stattfinden.

    ZEITmagazin: In Kosovo you belonged to the minority of Roma. What happened in the war serbs against albanians?

    Bislimi: After the war hundredthousand of roma were ethnically cleans. That was not shown in media, because the albanians who were the victims of serbs couldnt be suddenly the criminals. The pogroms against roma and ashkali came from albanian population. It was a ethnic cleansing.

    http://www.zeit.de/zeit-magazin/2015...islimi-rettung

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    Why she didn't answer to the question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    Why she didn't answer to the question?
    i wait for a albanian to claim that roma killed albanians in the war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    i wait for a albanian to claim that roma killed albanians in the war.
    We know very well what was the position of gypsies in Kosova during the war. The problem is that she didn't answer to this question.
    The question of ZEITmagazin is: What happened in the war serbs against albanians?
    Her answer is: Bislimi: After the war......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    We know very well what was the position of gypsies in Kosova during the war. The problem is that she didn't answer to this question.
    The question of ZEITmagazin is: What happened in the war serbs against albanians?
    Her answer is: Bislimi: After the war......
    I see but she focused on the important part of what happened probably, yeah she didnt directly answer the question. I for once believe gypsies were victims of both sides, i doubt serbian nationalist would adopt mostly muslim kosovar gypsies, you think serbs love gypsies? you pretend as if gypsies were serbian nationalists and killed albanians, i think both sides killed gypsies and after the war the albanians took opportunity to kill gypsies because they are racist. say the truth albo...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    I see but she focused on the important part of what happened probably, yeah she didnt directly answer the question. I for once believe gypsies were victims of both sides, i doubt serbian nationalist would adopt mostly muslim kosovar gypsies, you think serbs love gypsies? you pretend as if gypsies were serbian nationalists and killed albanians, i think both sides killed gypsies and after the war the albanians took opportunity to kill gypsies because they are racist. say the truth albo...
    I pretend? I didn't said nothing. There was a simple question. Why she avoided to answer to the question of the journalist? It's a simple question. Do you have any idea?

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    BTW, i don't pretend, it's you that declare yourself a servian nationalist.
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    Sorry; I would have one quite general question (which is not directly linked to this thread).

    Which can make ''poor'' Europeans racists?

    I someway can ''understand'' that ritcher people might become racists....(= piss ends up their heads) and they starts to look poorer ones down (not that I would accept it)....but poor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    Sorry; I would have one quite general question (which is not directly linked to this thread).

    Which can make ''poor'' Europeans racists?

    I someway can ''understand'' that ritcher people might become racists....(= piss ends up their heads) and they starts to look poorer ones down (not that I would accept it)....but poor?
    Depends entirely on what you call “racist”.

    Actual violence and odious discrimination between people from different ethnic groups is a fixture of the entire human history. Since most people that have ever lived was in near-absolute poverty, then “racism” is a poor man’s thing. Better: it is a human thing, just like poverty.

    The enlightenment pseudo-scientific concept of “race” was a luxury of European intellectuals.[1] However, the risk behind creating superficially rational justifications for bigotry or “racism” is that those justifications run the risk of being broken apart, which was exactly what later happened in the wealthier western societies: through various moral, religious and intellectual developments. It was in the most affluent societies that slavery was first abolished and that the notion of “equality among men” eventually developed.

    Even today, the least racist societies tend to be the wealthier western societies and their offshoots:

    https://www.quora.com/In-general-who...or-poor-people

    I am not sure your question exactly but the above might help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post

    https://www.quora.com/In-general-who...or-poor-people

    I am not sure your question exactly but the above might help.
    Thank's for links . Have to read that.

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    "Roma have been the most manipulated population of the long Yugoslav crisis. Comprising up to 5% of the population of Kosovo, their loyalty was bid over in a conflict which tolerated no neutrality. Roma were forced to choose a side in a conflict in which there was no Romani side and in which neither side accepted them as ethnically their own. In 1989, in an action which will likely not be forgotten soon by the Kosovo Albanians, some Roma in Belgrade demonstrated under a banner stating „We are behind you, Slobo" in support of the abrogation of the autonomy of the Kosovo province. Romani leaders from Kosovo attended the negotiations over Kosovo in Rambouillet, France in the early months of 1999, as members of the Serbian delegation. The overwhelming majority of Roma remained politically unengaged and desperately attempted to carve out niches for themselves where they might be spared the coming ethnic maelstrom; in a move pondered over with wonder by some anthropologists in the West, small groups of Roma in both Yugoslavia and Macedonia who had formerly declared themselves to be Albanians in the Yugoslav census, registered themselves as „Egyptians" and entered into dialogue with the Egyptian embassy in Belgrade. Legends spread in an increasingly isolated Serbia, such as the newly-invented folktale, calculated solely to exact exaggerated displays of loyalty, that „If the Roma abandon us, Serbia is truly alone." On the ground in Kosovo, as legends of Romani loyalty to Milošević became embedded in the hearts and minds of ethnic Albanians, exacting standards of loyalty among the Albanian community on the one hand, and the omnipresent Serbian police on the other, rendered Roma effectively mute. Roma who fled abroad to places where they could speak freely decried the conflict as not their own.

    The Serb police and military forced Roma to work for them. In a New York Times article on April 25, an ethnic Albanian refugee testified that Serb paramilitaries had forced the local Roma to collect the bodies of those shot by Serbs and to bury them in a mass grave, on April 18, in a small village west of Lipljan, Kosovo. A number of Roma from Kosovo, who escaped together with Kosovo Albanians to Albania, testified to the Tirana-based Roma organisation Amaro Drom that in some cases Roma were forced by Serbs to loot and destroy property of Kosovo Albanians, so that Roma would be blamed too.

    In other cases, Roma provided testimony about threats and murders committed by the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). In testimony published by the Ontario-based National Post on May 6, a 48-year-old Romani farmer from Suva Reka, Kosovo, said he believed his 26-year-old son was first kidnapped and then murdered by the KLA, as the son was a friend of the local police commander who was a Serb. A woman from a Romani family from Uroševac now living in the Dračevo settlement near Skopje told a journalist of the Roma program of Macedonian television in early May that just before they came to Macedonia in early April her niece was raped in Uroševac, Kosovo by ethnic Albanians. (For more details on the alleged murders and kidnapping of Roma by KLA in 1998 and early 1999, see „Snapshots from around Europe", Roma Rights, Autumn 1998).
    In many cases Roma testified that they witnessed abuses from both sides. Agron Beriša, a 23-year-old Romani man from Kačanik, Kosovo, was a member of the Serb police force. In a testimony given to the ERRC on April 19 in Skopje, he alleged there were cases in which ethnic Albanians attempted to force the Roma to declare themselves Albanians. Meanwhile, he saw the Serbian police physically abusing Roma. Agron Beriša decided to flee to Macedonia on April 15, while his wife and their baby stayed in Kosovo. Mr Nuhi Asani from Uroševac in Kosovo arrived to Dračevo near Skopje in early April. He told Macedonian television journalists in May that he and some of his family decided to flee to Macedonia as they were afraid of Serbs; on the other hand, some other members of his family went to Belgrade as they allegedly thought it would still be safer than with ethnic Albanians in Macedonia.

    Attempted lynching in Macedonian refugee camp; Romani refugees from Kosovo
    A violent anti-Romani incident took place in the refugee camp Stenkovec 1 near Skopje, Macedonia, on June 5, 1999, when ethnic Albanians physically attacked Romani refugees, claiming that one of the Roma had taken part in crimes against Albanians in Kosovo.
    At the gate of the camp, which at the time of the attack was home to almost 40,000 refugees, one Albanian refugee reportedly recognised Nazmi Halili, a 42-year-old Romani man from Podujevo, Kosovo, as a member of the Serbian police unit who had killed his father and expelled his family. Joined by several other refugees, the man attacked Mr Halili and his nephew, 22-year-old Avdula Halili, and a third Romani man present, 25-year-old Vaznen Malići from Uroševac, who was not related to the other two Roma. As the group of Albanians beating the Roma became larger, aid workers intervened and took the Romani men and three Romani children to the building of the Catholic Relief Services. According to Macedonian press, some 5000 ethnic Albanian refugees massed around the building, threatening to break into the building and kill the Roma. Albanian refugees also demanded that NATO forces take the Roma away and send them directly to the Hague for a war crimes trial. At the invitation of the UNHCR, US Ambassador to Macedonia Christopher Hill arrived in the camp and convinced the protesters that the Roma would be tried and punished if found guilty. The crowd dispersed around midnight, and the injured Roma were taken to the Skopje Military hospital. According to a UNHCR press release of June 7, the UNHCR evacuated the other seventeen members of the Romani families from the camp on the day of the incident, and accommodated them in a tent guarded by the police just outside the camp. Nazmi Halili and Vaznen Malići were released from the hospital on June 10; Avdula Halili left the hospital on the following day. The seven-member Halili family is now staying with relatives in a village near Skopje. The whereabouts of Vaznen Malići were unknown as of June 24.


    "http://www.errc.org/article/roma-and-the-kosovo-conflict/798

    It's simple, the reason Roma got targeted by Albanians is because they are 100% SNAKES. They'll be your neighbor one day and be the reason you die the next, the concepts of loyalty or dignity don't exist at all amongst them. The big mistake Albanians did after the Kosovo independence is to not erase all Kosovo Roma, at least with the Serbs it's the enemy you know.

    I wish the Roma community the best in Serbia or in any other country but Kosovo.

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