E1b Y-DNA in Europe

[MiloshN]

E-V13 - white niggers

[Vasconcelos]

I have a very rare subclade of this, E-M123* Y31991 (PF4428), despite being over 10000 years old. My FTDNA YDNA matches are all of Iberian descent plus one Norwegian, but E-M123* has mostly been found in Portugal and Germany, although it also exists in Austria, Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova and England, plus a few samples in the Levant and Armenia (although the two Lebanese have another subclade only 950 years old).


The only ancient sample found with this haplogroup is a Scythian who lived in the 8th century BC in modern northeast Kazakhstan. He was buried in an island on the Irtysh river

[Kriptc06]

I have a very rare subclade of this, E-M123* Y31991 (PF4428), despite being over 10000 years old. My FTDNA YDNA matches are all of Iberian descent plus one Norwegian, but E-M123* has mostly been found in Portugal and Germany, although it also exists in Austria, Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova and England, plus a few samples in the Levant and Armenia (although the two Lebanese have another subclade only 950 years old).


The only ancient sample found with this haplogroup is a Scythian who lived in the 8th century BC in modern northeast Kazakhstan. He was buried in an island on the Irtysh river

It could as well be of phoenician origin, could it not?

[Wrong]

Was possibly spread from the Balkans in the Bronze Age combined with IE peoples.

R1b-L23, J2b2, EV13 are my broders.

[Freeroostah]

An interesting fact about E1b is that it is abundant in North Africa and South Balkans but very insignificant in the Middle East
Our ancestors came here via Boats!

[Wrong]

An interesting fact about E1b is that it is abundant in North Africa and South Balkans but very insignificant in the Middle East
Our ancestors came here via Boats!

Yeah, was spread with Natufians according to aDNA circa 9000BC. Either with boats or southern Anatolian coast.

Later in Europe, from the Balkans, theory is it was helped to spread along with IE groups, both south and north.

[Vasconcelos]

It could as well be of phoenician origin, could it not?

Not likely, how would you explain a Scythian near the Altai mountains having it if it were Pheonician by 800BC? It's likely earlier than that - my guess would be neolithic or chalcolithic, probably got integrated into IE-speaking groups some time during the Bronze Age as they moved along - although there's a remote possibility it was spread by groups descended from Scythian tribes, since they were active in the eastern half of the continent, and the Alans did settle in Portugal by 400AD. I wouldn't put money on this theory, but it's possible.

The Pheonician one(s) probably belongs to M34 to which we're all negative, that one has a mediterranean distribution, Y31991 doesn't.

[Wrong]

Not likely, how would you explain a Scythian near the Altai mountains having it if it were Pheonician by 800BC? It's likely earlier than that - my guess would be neolithic or chalcolithic, probably got integrated into IE-speaking groups some time during the Bronze Age as they moved along - although there's a remote possibility it was spread by groups descended from Scythian tribes, since the Alans did settle in Portugal. I wouldn't put money on this theory, but it's possible.

The Pheonician one(s) probably belongs to M34 to which we're all negative, that one has a mediterranean distribution, Y31991 doesn't.

This. Alot of non-R1 groups got integrated into the greater R1-pool.

[Wrong]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Real-Location

Atlas, king of Atlantis is the originator of this haplogroup.

[Brutus]

An interesting fact about E1b is that it is abundant in North Africa and South Balkans but very insignificant in the Middle East
Our ancestors came here via Boats!

So? Levantine Natufians (lived approx. 15,000 YBP) were E1b1b. North African (excluding Egypt) E1b1b is mostly M81, meanwhile M78 and Z830 are mostly present at the Levant and Egypt. So a migration through the Levant into the Balkans during 5000 BCE would make more sense than a group of sailors.