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    Praise be to Allah

    Firstly:

    We have explained previously that Islam does not pay attention to differences in colour, race or lineage. All people are descended from Adam, and Adam was created from dust. Rather according to Islam, superiority of some people over others is measured by faith and taqwa (piety, mindfulness of Allah), doing what Allah has enjoined and refraining from what Allah has forbidden.

    At-Tirmidhi (3270) narrated from Ibn ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) addressed the people on the day of the conquest of Makkah and said: “O people, verily Allah has taken away from you the arrogance of Jaahiliyyah and its pride in forefathers. People are of two types: righteous and pious, who are dear to Allah, and doomed evildoers, who are insignificant before Allah. People are the descendants of Adam, and Allah created Adam from dust. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted’ [al-Hujuraat 49:13].”

    Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh at-Tirmidhi.

    Ahmad (22978) narrated from Abu Nadrah: Someone who heard the khutbah of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) on the second of the days of at-Tashreeq told me that he said: “O people, verily your Lord is One and your father is one. Verily there is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab or of a non-Arab over an Arab, or of a red man over a black man, or of a black man over a red man, except in terms of taqwa. Have I conveyed the message?” They said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) has conveyed the message.

    Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in as-Saheehah (6/199).

    Al-Bukhaari (4898) and Muslim (2546) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: We were sitting with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and Soorat al-Jumu‘ah was revealed to him: “And [He has sent the Prophet to] others of them who have not yet joined them” [al-Jumu‘ah 62:3]. I said: Who are they, O Messenger of Allah? He did not answer him until he had asked three times. Among us was Salmaan al-Faarisi and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) put his hand on Salmaan and said: “If faith were at the Pleiades, some men from among these people [the Persians] would get it.”

    Al-Bukhaari (5990) and Muslim (215) narrated that ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) say, out loud and not secretly: “The family of Abu Fulaan (the Father of So and so) are not my friends. My friends are Allah and the righteous believers.”

    Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

    The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) was speaking of a clan that was closely related to him, and pointed out that mere lineage did not make them his friends; rather his friends were Allah and the righteous believers of all backgrounds.

    End quote from Iqtida’ as-Siraat al-Mustaqeem (144).

    See also the answers to questions no. 12391 and 3793.

    Secondly:

    Imam Ahmad (17195) narrated: Haywah ibn Shurayh told us: Baqiyyah told us, Baheer ibn Sa‘d told me, from Khaalid ibn Ma‘daan, from ‘Utbah ibn ‘Abd that he said: A man said: O Messenger of Allah, curse the people of Yemen for they are tough fighters and great in number, and their fortresses are well fortified. He said: “No.” Then the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) cursed the non-Arabs, and the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “If they come to you, with their women and carrying their children on their shoulders (then show kindness to them), for they are of me and I am of them.”

    The commentators on Musnad al-Imam Ahmad (ar-Risaalah edn., 29/194) said:

    Its isnad is da‘eef (weak). Baqiyyah – who is the son of al-Waleed – is mudallis [i.e., he engaged in tadlees, which is when a narrator narrates a hadith that he did not hear directly from his shaykh, without mentioning the name of the third party from whom he did hear it, using wording that may or may not give the impression that he heard it directly], and narrated by saying ‘an (“from”, without clearly stating that he heard the hadith himself from another narrator). His hadith cannot be accepted unless it is clearly stated that each stage of the isnad that one narrator heard it directly from another.

    It was also narrated by Ibn Abi ‘Aasim in al-Aahaad wa’l-Mathaani (2280); at-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer (17/304) and in ash-Shaamiyyeen (1139), via ‘Abd al-Wahhaab ibn Najdah al-Hooti; and by Ibn Abi ‘Aasim (2280) from Hishaam ibn ‘Ammaar, both of whom narrated it from Baqiyyah ibn al-Waleed with this isnaad. In ash-Shaamiyyeen it mentions Ismaa‘eel ibn ‘Ayyaash instead of Baqiyyah, and we think it most likely that this is an error on the part of the copyist. End quote.

    Even if we assume that the hadith is saheeh (sound), it is to be understood as referring to those among them who are deserving of being cursed, namely the disbelievers, evildoers and their ilk. These people were only singled out for mention because in most cases they were disbelievers and were misguided, especially at that time.

    Thirdly:

    In the answer to question no. 115934, we noted that Ahl as-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa‘ah are unanimously agreed that the Arabs are superior to others in terms of descent and lineage, and that regarding the Arabs as superior is in general terms, and does not apply at the individual level. So a non-Arab who is pious and righteous is better than an Arab who falls short in his duties to Allah, may He be exalted.

    Therefore an Arab Muslim cannot be superior to a non-Arab Muslim just because he is an Arab. Rather superiority is based on taqwa (piety, mindfulness of Allah). So whoever is more mindful of Allah and obedient to Him is better than his counterpart, regardless of whether he is an Arab or a non-Arab.

    So the fact that you are not fully Arab does not mean that you are less than one who is fully Arab in terms of virtue and status simply because of that. As is clear from what we have mentioned above, the real standard is faith and righteous deeds.

    Fourthly:

    There were some of the Sahaabah who were not Arabs, such as Salmaan and Miqsam, who were Persians, Bilaal al-Habashi (who was Ethiopian) , Zunayrah ar-Roomiyyah (who was Byzantine), Barakah al-Habashiyyah (who was Ethiopian) and others such as Suhaym the freed slave of Banu’l-Has-haas, Ya‘eesh the slave of Banu’l-Mugheerah, Khaalid ibn al-Hawaari, and Tamaam al-Habashi.

    Al-Haakim (8194) narrated that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “I saw (in a dream) many black sheep who were joined by many white sheep.” They said: How did you interpret it, O Messenger of Allah? He said: The non-Arabs will join you in your religion and your lineage.” They said: The non-Arabs, O Messenger of Allah? He said: “If faith were at the Pleiades, some men from among the non-Arabs would get it.”

    Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in as-Saheehah (1018).

    Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

    The confirmation of that is seen in the many Persians, both free men and freed slaves, among the Taabi‘een and those who came after them, such as al-Hasan, Ibn Sireen, ‘Ikrimah the freed slave of Ibn ‘Abbaas, and others, and those who came after that of people who were prominent in faith, religious commitment and knowledge, until these prominent figures became better than most of the Arabs.

    Similarly, among types of non-Arabs, such as the Ethiopians, Byzantines, Turks and others, there are people who excelled in faith and religious commitment, too many to be counted, which is something well known to the scholars, because true virtue is in following that with which Allah sent Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) of faith and knowledge, both inwardly and outwardly. So the more strongly a person adheres to it, the better he is, and virtue is only in terms of the praiseworthy qualities mentioned in the Qur’an and Sunnah, such as Islam, faith, righteousness, taqwa, knowledge, righteous deeds, ihsaan and so on. There is no virtue in a person simply being an Arab or non-Arab, or being black or white, or being a city dweller or desert dweller.

    End quote from Iqtidaa’ as-Siraat al-Mustaqeem (p. 145)

    And Allah knows best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al-Bosni View Post
    Imam Ahmad (17195) narrated: Haywah ibn Shurayh told us: Baqiyyah told us, Baheer ibn Sa‘d told me, from Khaalid ibn Ma‘daan, from ‘Utbah ibn ‘Abd that he said: A man said:
    Does not sound like a very reliable source sadly.

    Quote Originally Posted by al-Bosni View Post
    Ahmad (22978) narrated from Abu Nadrah: Someone who heard the khutbah of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) on the second of the days of at-Tashreeq told me that he said: “O people, verily your Lord is One and your father is one. Verily there is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab or of a non-Arab over an Arab, or of a red man over a black man, or of a black man over a red man, except in terms of taqwa. Have I conveyed the message?” They said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) has conveyed the message.
    So, we can conclude that Arabs are not inherently "superior" to non Arabs.
    Only if Arabs suddenly are the only ones that fulfill Taqwa, they would be superior, but actually most muslims (e.g. Turks/Bosnians/Pashtuns) fulfill it. Proving no superiority between different races, at least according to Abu Nadrah, who claims to speak in behalf of Allah (or convey his message)

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    Moses wasn't Arab
    Yusuf wasn't Arab
    Jesus wasn't Arab

    etc

    but don't play with words, claiming nowadays Europeans or Asians Muslims are better because of (WE WUZ KANGZ) is ridiculous, how many verses of Quran you memorize just to prove that you are better? what about you Iman? do you pray 5 prayers? do you fast? so far Middle Eastern nation are THE CLOSEST one to practice islam (I Don't speak about individuals) I speak about countries, don't tell me Albania or Bosnia or whatever, they practice Islam better than Saudia or Egypt or Palestine, It's obvious.. In Europe they would laugh at Burka or Niqab, here that will never happen, in Europe they would drink in public, here it's forbidden, In Europe they would have sex in public, here it's forbidden in public or secret without marriage.

    so after that you want to bring some sources that speak about individuals to indicate that Arabs aren't that good? come on give me a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egyptian View Post
    Moses wasn't Arab
    Yusuf wasn't Arab
    Jesus wasn't Arab

    etc

    but don't play with words, claiming nowadays Europeans or Asians Muslims are better because of (WE WUZ KANGZ) is ridiculous, how many verses of Quran you memorize just to prove that you are better? what about you Iman? do you pray 5 prayers? do you fast? so far Middle Eastern nation are THE CLOSEST one to practice islam (I Don't speak about individuals) I speak about countries, don't tell me Albania or Bosnia or whatever, they practice Islam better than Saudia or Egypt or Palestine, It's obvious.. In Europe they would laugh at Burka or Niqab, here that will never happen, in Europe they would drink in public, here it's forbidden, In Europe they would have sex in public, here it's forbidden in public or secret without marriage.

    so after that you want to bring some sources that speak about individuals to indicate that Arabs aren't that good? come on give me a break.
    Afgans got the warrior mentality. A dozen different Arab countries got humilated by Israel in the 6 day war. That's because they did not have Islam. Race did not win the war for them. Muslims got a warrior mentality, It's not about race. Now you see the multinational Islamic State having to fight off 70+ countries for years. The Taliban is getting more powerful after 16 years of war. Al qaeda started with one branch in 2001, now they got numerous branches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al-Bosni View Post
    Afgans got the warrior mentality. A dozen different Arab countries got humilated by Israel in the 6 day war. That's because they did not have Islam. Race did not win the war for them. Muslims got a warrior mentality, It's not about race. Now you see the multinational Islamic State having to fight off 70+ countries for years. The Taliban is getting more powerful after 16 years of war. Al qaeda started with one branch in 2001, now they got numerous branches.
    Again you play with words.. Egypt and middle east were under occupation for many years by England, we were attacked by 3 different nations in 1965 france,england and israel .. in 1967 we were attacked by israel, in 1973 it was basically Egypt and Syria vs U.S and israel.

    don't tell me afghans or bosnianks or whatever can handle that, you yourself can't handle few days here...

    Al-Qaeda is led by Egyptian Al-zawhri.

    Afghansitan got plenty of arab jihadist during its war with soviets and Saudia+ U.S supplied them with money and weapons like stinger.

    you are living in U.S, you got to move to a realistic place to know the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egyptian View Post
    Again you play with words.. Egypt and middle east were under occupation for many years by England, we were attacked by 3 different nations in 1965 france,england and israel .. in 1967 we were attacked by israel, in 1973 it was basically Egypt and Syria vs U.S and israel.

    don't tell me afghans or bosnianks or whatever can handle that, you yourself can't handle few days here...

    Al-Qaeda is led by Egyptian Al-zawhri.

    Afghansitan got plenty of arab jihadist during its war with soviets and Saudia+ U.S supplied them with money and weapons like stinger.

    you are living in U.S, you got to move to a realistic place to know the truth.
    My boss at work is Egyption

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    Quote Originally Posted by al-Bosni View Post
    My boss at work is Egyption
    I don't care.

    you just posted this thread as defense to the turk girl, she began to insult middle east as an Ex ottoman territory while herself and her people follow a religion was born in Arabia and an Arab prophet.

    next time be fair and don't be hypocrite.

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    I do not know the quarrel here and I am not trying to insert myself into it. But I will kindly suggest that all things are fated.
    To be so harsh as to blame or condemn others, is not a good thing.

    Here is a Bukhari hadith, which you may verify:
    Hadith 4:621

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah's Apostle said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'You are Adam whose mistake expelled you from Paradise.' Adam said to him, 'You are Moses whom Allah selected as His Messenger and as the one to whom He spoke directly; yet you blame me for a thing which had already been written in my fate before my creation?"' Allah's Apostle said twice, "So, Adam overpowered Moses."


    Given this example of our prophets, it is an unbecoming thing to criticize each other for our Created fates.
    And since our fates are the will of Allah, to observe that any will exists besides Allah's will (such as our own), seems to be shirk.

    And if you are to ask me now, what is the purpose of our lives then, if we are not given "free will" I would say this:
    There is nothing we will do that Allah does not already know will happen
    The test of our lives is how we understand and perceive the constant revelation of our fate and if we accept to be the slave of Allah's will or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egyptian View Post
    I don't care.

    you just posted this thread as defense to the turk girl, she began to insult middle east as an Ex ottoman territory while herself and her people follow a religion was born in Arabia and an Arab prophet.

    next time be fair and don't be hypocrite.
    You are upset because I spammed her thumbs up. I was just spamming. Sorry. You are still my brother from another mother. I'm not the Turk girl. I'm the least the nationalistic person here. You can call me an alien if you want, I don't even care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arduti View Post
    I do not know the quarrel here and I am not trying to insert myself into it. But I will kindly suggest that all things are fated.
    To be so harsh as to blame or condemn others, is not a good thing.

    Here is a Bukhari hadith, which you may verify:
    Hadith 4:621

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah's Apostle said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'You are Adam whose mistake expelled you from Paradise.' Adam said to him, 'You are Moses whom Allah selected as His Messenger and as the one to whom He spoke directly; yet you blame me for a thing which had already been written in my fate before my creation?"' Allah's Apostle said twice, "So, Adam overpowered Moses."


    Given this example of our prophets, it is an unbecoming thing to criticize each other for our Created fates.
    And since our fates are the will of Allah, to observe that any will exists besides Allah's will (such as our own), seems to be shirk.

    And if you are to ask me now, what is the purpose of our lives then, if we are not given "free will" I would say this:
    There is nothing we will do that Allah does not already know will happen
    The test of our lives is how we understand and perceive the constant revelation of our fate and if we accept to be the slave of Allah's will or not
    You're right. We don't will something unless Allah wills it.

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