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    Default Denmark government supports burqa ban

    https://www.thelocal.dk/20171006/den...-for-burqa-ban

    Denmark government announces support for burqa ban

    Government coalition parties the Liberal (Venstre) and Liberal Alliance parties have both announced their support for a public ban on garments that mask the face.
    The announcements pave the way for the burqa and niqab to be outlawed in the Scandinavian country.

    The stance by Liberal Alliance represents a shift in the party’s official line on the issue, while Venstre, the senior party in the government, had waited before the announcement of an official line with opinion divided amongst its MPs, reports broadcaster DR.

    Venstre reached agreement on an official line during a party meeting on Friday morning, according to DR’s report.

    The party will now support moves to forbid the wearing of face-masking garments in public – in practice banning the two types of Islamic veil from public use.

    “We in the Liberal party will support a ban on masking that will be forthcoming. It is not a religiously defined ban on masking, but the burqa and niqab will obviously be covered by it,” political spokesperson Jakob Ellemann-Jessen said according to DR.

    Ellemann-Jessen conceded that the party had considered a number of issues in its discussion of the potential ban.

    “It was a balance between several considerations. There are two Liberal viewpoints. On one side, we should allow people to wear what they want. On the other side, an open liberal society needs people to be able to look each other in the eye and meet face-to-face. These two things clash, and that’s why we’re having this discussion,” he continued.

    Ellemann-Jessen also stressed that the party was now united behind the potential ban, despite prominent figures, such as deputy leader Kristian Jensen and Minister of Higher Education and Science Søren Pind, previously saying they were against it.

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    Liberal Alliance, which was also previously against the proposal, has followed Venstre in pronouncing its support.

    ““Everyone agrees that the burqa is an expression of extreme oppression of women,” party leader Anders Samuelsen wrote in a Facebook post.

    “Now there is a majority in parliament that thinks the burka/veiling should be fought… So if a ban like this is possible in practice without harming ourselves or our own values, then yes, LA will vote for it,” Samuelsen continued.

    The two parties join fellow conservative parties the Conservatives and the Danish People’s Party (DF) in support the ban, thereby securing a parliamentary majority.

    The latter party started the latest round of discussion of the issue in Denmark when it announced in July that it would forward a proposal for a ban in the new parliamentary session.

    Since then, the European Court of Human Rights upheld a Belgian ban in the face-covering niqab, strengthening the prospects for a Danish ban.

    The actual number of people who wear either the burqa or niqab in Denmark is not known precisely.

    The most recent figures come from 2010, when a government report estimated the number to be between 150 and 200 women, with the majority of these wearing the niqab, rather than the burqa.

    Niqabs have a slit through which the wearer’s eyes can be seen, while burqas cover the face entirely, with the wearer seeing through a mesh in the material.

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    More dress codes and state-sanctioned bigotry.
    You can no longer blame a faction of your people for being absurd and irrational when the state sanctions it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arduti View Post
    More dress codes and state-sanctioned bigotry.
    You can no longer blame a faction of your people for being absurd and irrational when the state sanctions it.
    Muslims need to know that if they chose to live in Western countries, they must abide by the rules and embrace assimilation. If not, they can return to where they came from. Simple as that. Trying to push a foreign ideology and culture onto the majority under the cloak of ''multiculturalism'' or ''human rights'' isn't going to wash any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokol View Post
    Muslims need to know that if they chose to live in Western countries, they must abide by the rules and embrace assimilation. If not, they can return to where they came from. Simple as that. Trying to push a foreign ideology and culture onto the majority under the cloak of ''multiculturalism'' or ''human rights'' isn't going to wash any more.
    I will translate what you said:
    When Muslims start moving to the West, freedom and equality don't matter anymore.



    You're proving yourselves unfree and inequal and not really what you say you are.
    WINK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arduti View Post
    I will translate what you said:
    When Muslims start moving to the West, freedom and equality don't matter anymore.



    You're proving yourselves unfree and inequal and not really what you say you are.
    WINK.
    I expect no less from a Jew, since Jews also insist on separatism and not assimilating into their host countries - it's how you've survived after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arduti View Post
    I will translate what you said:
    When Muslims start moving to the West, freedom and equality don't matter anymore.



    You're proving yourselves unfree and inequal and not really what you say you are.
    WINK.
    It's important to preserve all the freedom and equality against the groups who advocate anything but freedom and equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Countess View Post
    It's important to preserve all the freedom and equality against the groups who advocate anything but freedom and equality.
    If she does not like her neighbors, she is free to move.

    She claimed they were being provocative, but I think she was being provocative.
    All people are defensive, if she goes into a crowd and confronts them, what exactly does she expect? Warm hugs and well-wishes?
    Docility is not an Eastern trait. If she has the right to confront them, they have the right to confront her.
    She does not have more rights than they do.
    And the fact that she felt perfectly comfortable to approach this crowd alone is not a testament to her bravery but to their restraint.

    I don't know anything about that situation or why they were protesting so I won't comment further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arduti View Post
    If she does not like her neighbors, she is free to move.

    She claimed they were being provocative, but I think she was being provocative.
    All people are defensive, if she goes into a crowd and confronts them, what exactly does she expect? Warm hugs and well-wishes?
    Docility is not an Eastern trait. If she has the right to confront them, they have the right to confront her.
    She does not have more rights than they do.
    And the fact that she felt perfectly comfortable to approach this crowd alone is not a testament to her bravery but to their restraint.

    I don't know anything about that situation or why they were protesting so I won't comment further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokol View Post
    I expect no less from a Jew, since Jews also insist on separatism and not assimilating into their host countries - it's how you've survived after all.
    Jews in Western Europe were well-assimilated into society, due to the aristocracy seeing the benefit in doing so, so I don't know what you are talking about. Perhaps they were too well-assimilated, to the point of jealousy of common folk and other aristocrats.

    As for the Jews in Eastern Europe, they were forcibly kept down by various regimes, so the leadership created their own problems with Jews there, eliciting sympathy from common folk.

    As for me, you don't know me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arduti View Post
    Jews in Western Europe were well-assimilated into society, due to the aristocracy seeing the benefit in doing so, so I don't know what you are talking about. Perhaps they were too well-assimilated, to the point of jealousy of common folk and other aristocrats.

    As for the Jews in Eastern Europe, they were forcibly kept down by various regimes, so the leadership created their own problems with Jews there, eliciting sympathy from common folk.

    As for me, you don't know me.
    Not really, they were quite easily identified by the Third Reich

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