Albanian Y-DNA Project

[onetwopunch]

Looks like Albanians are a mix bag.

[Kelmendasi]

Does statistics on such small samples make sense (except Gjitokaster)?

Yh due to small sample size they may be subject to drastic changes.

[Kelmendasi]

Looks like Albanians are a mix bag.

Not really. Majority of the haplos are Albanian. Only major non-Albanian groups are I1, I2a1b and R1a

[onetwopunch]

Not really. Majority of the haplos are Albanian. Only major non-Albanian groups are I1, I2a1b and R1a

EV13 is also not Albanian. I have this haplogroup and it comes from Anatolia.

[Kelmendasi]

The R1a subclade seems quite young with a TMRCA of 2000ybp and has quite a spread in Western Europe but still looks quite Slavic.

Couldn't find anything about A6397, but the upstream subclades of Y16437 look clearly Germanic don't you think?

Yes the TMRCA is around 2,000ybp and it seems to be of Slavic origin, but it may have arrived before the arrival of groups such as the Serbs. Possibility that it was picked up by Germanic speakers. A6397 is a subclade of Z58, Germanic in origin and so is Y16437. Though these specific groups seem to be found mainly among Albanians despite Germanic origin

[Kelmendasi]

EV13 is also not Albanian. I have this haplogroup and it comes from Anatolia.

E-V13 itself isn't, but the E-V13 subclades among these samples are Albanian, you can't attribute them to any other group in terms of presence among Albanians. As for the origin of E-V13, the Balkans is more likely than Anatolia based on diversity and aDNA.

[onetwopunch]

E-V13 itself isn't, but the E-V13 subclades among these samples are Albanian, you can't attribute them to any other group in terms of presence among Albanians. As for the origin of E-V13, the Balkans is more likely than Anatolia based on diversity and aDNA.

E is not native to Europe so I don’t get how you say that. E can be found in Anatolia and other places than the Balkan. EV13 were Anatolian farmers who moved to balkans and other places.

[Kelmendasi]

E is not native to Europe so I don’t get how you say that. E can be found in Anatolia and other places than the Balkan. EV13 were Anatolian farmers who moved to balkans and other places.

You aren't understanding what I am saying. The subclades, branches of E-V13, found among Albanians aren't of foreign origin. You can't call them non-Albanian. E is as native to Europe as J or R is. Sure E can be found in other places more than the Balkans but E-V13 can't, it reaches highest frequency in the Balkans. Based on diversity and aDNA, E-V13 likely originated in the Balkans during the Neolithic and was spread by cultures like the Cardium pottery culture. Though it seems that CTS5856(branch of E-V13 that vast majority of V13 belong to) arose somewhere around central Europe and was picked up by IE speakers and spread with them. Goiny by TMRCA, majority of Asian V13 is actually from European input.

[Wrong]

Yes J2b2 is more confined to the north in large numbers whilst E-V13 is spread across all of Albania. E-V13 dominates both Ghegs and Tosks, though in Ghegs J2b2 usually follows E-V13 whilst in Tosks it seems to be R1b. The 15% I1 is in Gjirokaster, though Vlora also shows high I1 at 12.5%. Vlora also shows the highest percentage of J2b2 in the south at 12.5%. I1 seems to be higher in Tosks than Ghegs.

In the pure Gheg areas, I can see J2b2 is higher than EV13.

[Kelmendasi]

In the pure Gheg areas, I can see J2b2 is higher than EV13.

J2b2 is substantially higher in Ghegs than in Tosks. Though I wouldn't say that the counties that have more J2b2 than E-V13 are more Gheg or purer Gheg. For example in Shkodra they are practically all Ghegs but yet V13 is higher in percentage.