Albanian Y-DNA Project

[Wrong]

J2b2 is substantially higher in Ghegs than in Tosks. Though I wouldn't say that the counties that have more J2b2 than E-V13 are more Gheg or purer Gheg. For example in Shkodra they are all practically Ghegs but yet V13 is higher in percentage.

Can we trust the low sample size, though? 200+ tested in every region would give a clearer picture.

It's like that Aromanian region in Albania with 30-40 people tested, and they come up as 48% J2b2.
It was in the Dukas region, of the Southern Albania.

[Kelmendasi]

Can we trust the low sample size, though? 200+ tested in every region would give a clearer picture.

It's like that Aromanian region in Albania with 30-40 people tested, and they come up as 47% J2b2.

The low sample size doesn't give a great overview, but it's the least that we can get as of now. I'll do another percentage calculation for the counties again when more samples come in. I would say about 70 for each county is a decent sample size. 100+ would be great. I'd expect areas such as Durres to increase in E-V13 and J2b2.

[Wrong]

The low sample size doesn't give a great overview, but it's the least that we can get as of now. I'll do another percentage calculation for the counties again when more samples come in. I would say about 70 for each county is a decent sample size. 100+ would be great. I'd expect areas such as Durres to increase in E-V13 and J2b2.

500 samples from different parts of every region gives the best overview imo.

[Kelmendasi]

A Shoshi member has finally tested and it seems like they are E-V13. Further testing is needed to see what clade. Going by this they are unrelated to Shala and also possibly Mirdita, despite claiming common paternal origin. The guy that tested is from Brashte in Shosh, it is located near Vukac in the eastern area of Shoshi.

Seems likely that, based on STRs, the Shoshi may belong to E-Y133830 which is also shared by the Bjelopavlici/Palbardhi. Though it is hard to say as of now if they actually belong to this group as the Shoshi member has only tested 18 markers, but out of those 18 markers he matches 17/18 with the Bjelopavlici so odds are likely. The Bjelopavlici themselves have oral tradition of coming from the region of Dukagjini, the Shoshi are a clan from Dukagjin and so if they are Y133830 it is likely that the Bjelopavlici came from Shosh. Also interesting to note that a Cam Albanian may also belong to this group, he was tested as Z16988* by Yseq but Yseq doesn't test Y133830. He only has 4 differences with Bjelopvalici on 37 markers and so if he is actually Y133830 they would be pretty distantly related.

[Kelmendasi]

Going by the testing of a Cabej from Gjirokaster, Eqrem Cabej seems to have belonged to haplogroup J2b1-M205. Eqrem Cabej was an Albanian linguist and Albanologist, he was considered to be the "father of Albanian linguistics"

[safinator]

For the first time i see an Albanian on 23andMe with a clade of R1b which is different from the only R-L23 R-L51 clade Albanians got.

He's R1b-U152 which is very common in Italy but extremely rare among us.

[Sturmgewehr]

How common is I-Z17855 among Albos ?

[Kelmendasi]

For the first time i see an Albanian on 23andMe with a clade of R1b which is different from the only R-L23 R-L51 clade Albanians got.

He's R1b-U152 which is very common in Italy but extremely rare among us.

I think I got the same match. He’s from Dibra e Madhe(Debar) in Macedonia. We do have some L51>P312 samples in the project, though they haven’t tested SNPs and so we can’t say for certain if they are U152 or from some other P312 clade. U152 has many clades which can be of various origins, some could be linked to Italo-Celtic peoples whilst others to cultures such as the Urnfield one.

[Kelmendasi]

How common is I-Z17855 among Albos ?

Not sure. I2a1b in general among Albanians reaches around 6-8%. Most of the I2a1b falls under PH908 or Y3120>Dinaric North. Though I don’t know if Z17855 falls under Dinaric North

[Pribislav]

Not sure. I2a1b in general among Albanians reaches around 6-8%.

Those are descendants of Arnautaši.