Albanian Y-DNA Project

[Pribislav]

I don't get it. This divac guy has 2 serb parents but still came out as dark as an arab? I think something strange happened down the line. Also, his kids looking like that are due to their mother. She looks either half croatian or western russian, where is she from? Must have northern european dna.

Some history i found on sandzak:

The Serbian Despotate was conquered by the Ottoman Empire in 1455. During the Ottoman rule, many inhabitants converted to Islam. The conversions were caused by number of factors, mainly economic as Muslims paid lower taxes.[12] The Muslims were also privileged compared to Christians, who were unable to work in the administration or testify in court against Muslims.[13] The second factor that contributed to the Islamisation were migrations. A large demographic shift occurred as Serbs fought several wars against the Ottoman Empire. The Turks drove the Christian population northwards, while Muslims were driven to the Ottoman territory. The land abandoned by the Serbs was settled by Muslims, mainly ethnic Serbs who confessed Islam and Turks, but also significant population from the Caucasus, the Middle East and the Asia Minor.

What must have happened was, there was an initial split in dna of slavs and then arabs but over time these slowly mixed through crime (rape) or forced marriages. Few hundred years later a lot of the people in the area were slavic/arab mix and all started to speak the same language which allowed for more mixing. I assume the albanians went into sandzak later on too because that area seems a big deal and then some albanians must have mixed with the arab/slavs there eventually.

This is normal, in London africans started to mix with english early on (1900s) and then these mixed with each other etc.

Again, I have yet to see much heavy albanian/slavic/arab mixed dna, do you have some data I can see? I can't imagine albanians learning serbian or turkish/arabic and then mixing with them, I would say logically most mixing during ottoman years was due to rape crime/prisoners/prostitutes.

Feel free to correct me

Divac's wife is Serbian. Her name is Snežana.

Have you ever heard fom Malsor migration to Sandžak?

Sanžakians which still speak Albanian exist, here are examples:
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=611
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=317
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=359
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=406
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=450
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=779
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=917
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=1091
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=1209
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=1695

In western Sandžak most of Muslims are of Serbian origin, from Montenegro and Old Herzegovina. In eastern Sanžak most of Muslims are of Albanian origin. Eastern Sandžakians are more numerous than western.
Sanžakians have Turkish and maybe even Arab influence.

Sandžakians from Pešter play Albanian Shota

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[KastriotiBlood]

Divac's wife is Serbian. Her name is Snežana.

Have you ever heard fom Malsor migration to Sandžak?

Sanžakians which still speak Albanian exist, here are examples:
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=611
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=317
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=359
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=406
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=450
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=779
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=917
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=1091
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=1209
https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=1695

In western Sandžak most of Muslims are of Serbian origin, from Montenegro and Old Herzegovina. In eastern Sanžak most of Muslims are of Albanian origin. Eastern Sandžakians are more numerous than western.
Sanžakians have Turkish and maybe even Arab influence.

Sandžakians from Pešter play Albanian Shota

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Raska02i03.png

According to that image very few in sandzak are albanian, maybe at some point there was more but it doesn't seem to be the case now, a lot must have moved back, been killed off and a few stayed/mixed. I think there is a lot of mixing in that area. The reason why I say a few is because albanians speak an albanian dialect, in italy they moved there 550 years ago and still speak an albanian dialect arberesht whereas in sandzak which has far more recent history only 1% speak albanian. You were confusing "muslims" with albanians when in fact a lot of serbs and bosnians were also muslim during ottoman years.

"A calculation of the two censuses puts Sandžak's total population at just over 390,000. The relative majority is held by the roughly 189,190 Bosniaks, who form 48.4% of the region's population. Serbs form 33.9% (132,345), while Montenegrins form 7.25% (28,323), Muslims by nationality 6.11% (23,900), and Albanians 1.04% (4,062)."

I have no doubt that a lot from that region have arabic dna for whatever reason (which explains divac), that's why I wanted to know history on sandzak and why so many arabs moved there, was it a hotspot for good jobs or prostitutes?

As for divac's wife, I wasn't asking for where she is from, i asked for her ethnicity, her mixed dna. Most serb men look like djokovic so her looking like she does means either most serb men have some arab dna OR she has some northern european dna, it cannot be both ways. Obviously the 2nd is surely more likely.

Also, the initial discussion was divac who you said they found no albanian dna but they found a little in his son? Doesn't this mean it came from the mother?

[Ryuk]

I don't think Sandzak carries any Arab input.When Sandzak was captured by the Ottomans, the Ottomans did not have any Arab lands.

[Pribislav]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Raska02i03.png

According to that image very few in sandzak are albanian, maybe at some point there was more but it doesn't seem to be the case now, a lot must have moved back, been killed off and a few stayed/mixed. I think there is a lot of mixing in that area. The reason why I say a few is because albanians speak an albanian dialect, in italy they moved there 550 years ago and still speak an albanian dialect arberesht whereas in sandzak which has far more recent history only 1% speak albanian. You were confusing "muslims" with albanians when in fact a lot of serbs and bosnians were also muslim during ottoman years.

"A calculation of the two censuses puts Sandžak's total population at just over 390,000. The relative majority is held by the roughly 189,190 Bosniaks, who form 48.4% of the region's population. Serbs form 33.9% (132,345), while Montenegrins form 7.25% (28,323), Muslims by nationality 6.11% (23,900), and Albanians 1.04% (4,062)."

I have no doubt that a lot from that region have arabic dna for whatever reason (which explains divac), that's why I wanted to know history on sandzak and why so many arabs moved there, was it a hotspot for good jobs or prostitutes?

As for divac's wife, I wasn't asking for where she is from, i asked for her ethnicity, her mixed dna. Most serb men look like djokovic so her looking like she does means either most serb men have some arab dna OR she has some northern european dna, it cannot be both ways. Obviously the 2nd is surely more likely.

Also, the initial discussion was divac who you said they found no albanian dna but they found a little in his son? Doesn't this mean it came from the mother?

I talking about Divac's y dna (haplogroup).

Đoković is half Montenegrin half Croatian (Montenegrin father and Croatian mother).

Sandžakian Muslims became Bosniaks recently. They have nothing to do with Bosnia.
Probably 1/4 of Sandžakians have Serbian paternal origin, but they are mixed with islamized Malsors and Anatolian settlers.
Sandžakians of Serbian origin are settlers from Montenegro and Old Herzegovina in late 17th and 18th century. Native medieval Serbs of Raška moved to the north (Vojvodina, Hungary, Slavonia) and northwest (Krajina, Croatia) in 16th and 17th century.

This is Novi Pazar in 1904, look at Albanian Gheg costumes on people.

[KastriotiBlood]

I talking about Divac's y dna (haplogroup).

Đoković is half Montenegrin half Croatian (Montenegrin father and Croatian mother).

Sandžakian Muslims became Bosniaks recently. They have nothing to do with Bosnia.
Probably 1/4 of Sandžakians have Serbian paternal origin, but they are mixed with islamized Malsors and Anatolian settlers.
Sandžakians of Serbian origin are settlers from Montenegro and Old Herzegovina in late 17th and 18th century. Native medieval Serbs of Raška moved to the north (Vojvodina, Hungary, Slavonia) and northwest (Krajina, Croatia) in 16th and 17th century.

This is Novi Pazar in 1904, look at Albanian Gheg costumes on people.

So divac does not have any albanian dna then, you said his son did. I'm not sure what islamized means in terms of dna, you are speaking strictly about religion conversion? Like I said albanians speak their own language in different dialects, like the arberesht, ghegs, tosks etc. In sandzak today only 1% speak albanian and this is all near kosova.

If we look at the history of sandzak, that area belonged to the serbs before ottoman conquered. All the people there initially where slavs and then mixed with arabs/ottoman over time mostly due to rape crime/lack of condoms. The albanians also moved there later on and yes in that video some of them do appear to be albanian. Were these not killed during the 1910s? I am sure most of them moved over to kosova leaving only 1% albanians in sandzak today.

What was divac's genetic makeup? How much slavic and how much arab dna did he come out as? Because he doesnt look exactly like the typical serb Djokovic or Mitrovic, he's darker.

@ryuk

The ottoman originally were a mix of arabs and middle region asians, they then mixed with greeks and other byzantine citizens in medieval turkey and by taking other european women as hostage when they became more powerful. As years went by they had more and more european dna including boys of 100% dna taken from their respective countries as hostages to fight for the ottoman, these mixed with their arab or half arab women and now turkey is a mixed country of europeans and arabs, with I imagine most of it european dna. I use the term arab to describe middle eastern people because it is quicker and easier to put them in that group. Arab dna in europe came because of the ottoman mostly from crime, the people we call "jevg" are proof of this and now they are discriminated against, these had more power and there was more of them under ottoman rule, these are basically arabs living in europe who never had the opportunity to mix

[Skerdilaid]

It would nice if mods could clean up this thread a bit, especially the serv drivel on the last few pages.

[Pribislav]

@@ KastriotiBlood

Sandžakians are not Serbs, and they never will be.
I don't care are they Bosniaks, Turks ot something else.


Y dna of Sandžakians

sample 232

E-V13 - 34,38%
R1b-BY611 - 21,98%
I2a1 - 11,24%
J2b - 9,91%
J2a 5,6%
I1 - 5,17%
G2a - 3,45%
R1a - 3,02%
I2a2 - 1,29%
J1 - 1,29%
C - 0,86%
T - 0,86%
H - 0.43%

They have 2/3 Albanian paternal lines.

[KastriotiBlood]

@@ KastriotiBlood

Sandžakians are not Serbs, and they never will be.
I don't care are they Bosniaks, Turks ot something else.


Y dna of Sandžakians

sample 232

E-V13 - 34,38%
R1b-BY611 - 21,98%
I2a1 - 11,24%
J2b - 9,91%
J2a 5,6%
I1 - 5,17%
G2a - 3,45%
R1a - 3,02%
I2a2 - 1,29%
J1 - 1,29%
C - 0,86%
T - 0,86%
H - 0.43%

They have 2/3 Albanian paternal lines.

Where are you getting these figures from exactly & how does that make 2/3 albanian when only 1 percent speak albanian today? Bosnians are part of the slavic group, so 99% of sandzak is slavic people and arabs/turks from ottoman years, some mixed together and some albanians from kosova must have mixed with them too at some point but this is normal with neighbouring countries over time, just like some greeks and albanians have mixed, but very few.

This has some testing on ALBANIANS in sandzak and as you can see they came out similar to kosovars.
http://www.gjenetika.com/statistikat/

For example, a footballer called sead kolasinac is bosnian (slavic) but he obviously looks partial turkish/arab.

At least we have confirmed that divac is serbian but you are serbian yourself and have to admit he is darker than the normal serb. So 1 + 1 = 2, cmon.

[Ryuk]

@Kastriotiblood

Anatolian Turks do not carry the Arab component,they have never carried it,because they have never migrated to the Arab-populated areas in history,even the vast majority of Kurds are in the same situation.
If you don't believe,you can look at the gedmatch results of Anatolian Turks, and this issue has been discussed and linked to the conclusion.In Turkey, the Arab population is low and generally neighboring Kurds.

Arab population in Turkey:

[KastriotiBlood]

@Kastriotiblood

Anatolian Turks do not carry the Arab component,they have never carried it,because they have never migrated to the Arab-populated areas in history,even the vast majority of Kurds are in the same situation.
If you don't believe,you can look at the gedmatch results of Anatolian Turks, and this issue has been discussed and linked to the conclusion.In Turkey, the Arab population is low and generally neighboring Kurds.

Arab population in Turkey:

But that is the modern map right? I am talking about ottoman years. Also, that map splits races but doesn't take into account mixed races, a lot of turkey is mixed arabs/europeans. Who exactly were the turks that destroyed the byzantine empire? I'm pretty sure they came from the east... Where arabs also not very islamic? How come arabs have the same names as ottoman leaders? I believe that ottoman purpose was to make "whiter" people mix with their race and used religion as a means to unite middle easterns in their conquest and they were also very brainwashed with allah just like the whites became brainwashed over jesus. The turkey you see today is more white/european than early ottoman turkey after the east killed off the west in Constantinople....

This is my opinion, there are a lot of dark arts in "man kind", some want to mix races against someones will (ottoman), some want complete purity and attempt genocides to do it (hitler). Whoever is right or wrong is a matter of opinion. If you look at the ottoman sultans wives of which they had up to 5 each a lot of them started out as Turks and Greeks but as the empire expanded its land they had more and more serbian, russian, georgian, bulgarian, some albanian and italian too. Not saying there is anything wrong with mixing races if that's what you're into, so much more of it happens now in northern european countries and especially USA which is a multi ethnic country in the first place, BUT the way ottoman leaders went about it was against the will of the lady