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    Default Debunking the moderate Muslim majority myth

    I am creating this thread to debate on the socio-cultural implications and consequences that the so called "moderate" Islam can have in Europe and as well as a response to the TA members that think that the "radical" Islamic "minority" is the only problem that should be addressed

    Annually our governments spend millions in domestic intelligence and security services to protect our citizens from Islamic jihadism, also known as "the radical Islamic minority". While they focus on the so called radical minority, they utterly fail to see the impact of the so called moderate majority.

    I happen to believe that what is called moderate Islam is far more dangerous than the radical in the long term, since it steadily grows and "silently" annihilates the host nations. Islamic jihad has many faces and this is just one of them, it doesn't necessarily have to implicate violence as a measure to achieve its purposes.
    It is virtually impossible for a Muslim to live in a non-Islamic majority society without holding a moral or spiritual obligation to attempt to convert others, be it by dissimulation or in the last case scenario by force.

    Jihad is not only about slaughtering people in the name of Islam. It is also a systematic suppression of truth and the propagation of lies. Otherwise, how could "moderate" Muslims assert - despite strong evidence to the contrary - that Islam is a peaceful religion?

    After many years of war on terror, we continue to hear the expression "Islam is the religion of peace". While such moderate Muslims use the phrase for obvious reasons, those who know Islam use the same expression in a sarcastic way. Islam can not survive without Jihad because Jihad is its life-giving force. Muslims who are against Jihad have no place in Islam, they are seen as infidels.
    Violence against the non-Muslims is not a misrepresentation of Islam as many ignorantly like to point out, but is repeatedly confirmed in the Qur'an and the codes of each school of Islamic jurisprudence.

    The only difference between a peaceful Muslim and a terrorist is that terrorists are ostensibly at work and are not shy about presenting their agenda to non-Muslims, while the moderates work quietly and therefore are hypocrites. Muslims are not a trustworthy minority, for as soon as their numbers and strength increase they will demand to impose their Islamic laws and systems upon the host country. In fact, the Qur'an instructs them not to live as minorities but to take control. Ultimately their loyalty is always to Islam, not to any national frontiers.

    The noblest goal of any given Muslim is to help Islam rule the world; these "moderates" brazenly attempt to deceive the infidels with their distorted logic and pathological lies. They always repeat the same lies over and over again, believing they will come true by repetition. If necessary, they may distort the meaning of Qur'anic verses according to their selfish needs. This is even encouraged and is known as Al-Taqiyya: basically they can lie to achieve their ultimate purposes. That's why the so called "moderate" Muslims can give long speeches about human rights and democratic values (absolutely contrary to their faith) and sing the peaceful verses of the Qur'an; but once Islam becomes the majority, the singing verses will have another set-up.

    In reality, moderate Islam does not exist. Neither a moderate Muslim. A "moderate" Muslim makes as much sense as a "moderate" Nazi. In an army, not everyone carries a weapon. There are many noncombatant members, such as accountants, cooks, fund raisers, logistics specialists, doctors, nurses or recruits - who may play only a passive role. However, they all have the same goal: to defeat the enemy. Similarly, there are several ways to support jihad and the implementation of Islam. This goes from the suicide bomber to the lady-burka that gives birth to a dozen children because a large family pleases Allah.

    The "moderate" Muslims we know are playing this passive support role, and the ultimate goal is to conquer the world for Islam by cleansing it from the infidels and its civilization until there is no one left.
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    Waiting for opposing viewpoints (or supporting) from Muslims and non-Muslims.
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    The radicals come from the moderates eg any Muslim can turn radical at anytime and in fact the more religious they are the more likely this is
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    ohh.. so i am an evil. fuck, i must knew it before

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    Quote Originally Posted by itilvolga View Post
    ohh.. so i am an evil. fuck, i must knew it before

    You are not necessarily inherently evil but you do endorse a religion\ideology that is unquestionably violent and backwards.

    Actually if I remember correctly, this German kid that used to be a member with whom you got along with apparently converted to Islam after getting in touch with you. It gives full support to my assessment that Muslims have the moral obligation of manipulating and converting others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    You are not necessarily inherently evil but you do endorse a religion\ideology that is unquestionably violent and backwards.

    Actually if I remember correctly, this German kid that used to be a member with whom you got along with apparently converted to Islam after getting in touch with you. It gives full support to my assessment that Muslims have the moral obligation of manipulating and converting others.
    I did not force anyone to convert Islam, listen i really do not want to talk about it but he was reading Qur’an and interested in Islam. He even visited mosque in Germany many times (i did not want it from him at all), also i bet he has a crush with another Muslim (most likely Turkish) after me so he had a potential, otherwise do not think like i said “if you do not become muslim, i will not marry you” lol

    Also personally i am confused about being Muslim because of other Muslims’ behavior, it makes me very irritated but as i said before, i have no any problem with my religion, only with its uneducated followers. I have plenty of friends from European countries and most of them are racist or nationalist, just imagine if i were someone like you guess, would they even talk with me? I do not think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itilvolga View Post
    I did not force anyone to convert Islam, listen i really do not want to talk about it but he was reading Qur’an and interested in Islam. He even visited mosque in Germany many times (i did not want it from him at all), also i bet he has a crush with another Muslim (most likely Turkish) after me so he had a potential, otherwise do not think like i said “if you do not become muslim, i will not marry you” lol
    You might not have said that you wouldn't date or marry someone who isn't a Muslim...but would you really be able to date or marry someone who isn't a Muslim? I don't think so and we all know that most Muslims wouldn't unless their partners convert to Islam. So if anyone wants to have a chance with you and is not a Muslim, he better start considering becoming one.

    Quote Originally Posted by itilvolga View Post
    Also personally i am confused about being Muslim because of other Muslims’ behavior, it makes me very irritated but as i said before, i have no any problem with my religion, only with its uneducated followers. I have plenty of friends from European countries and most of them are racist or nationalist, just imagine if i were someone like you guess, would they even talk with me? I do not think so.
    There is nothing wrong with other Muslim behaviours from a Qu'ranic perspective and like Anglojew said, there's nothing un-Islamic about their actions. Actually, have you tried to wonder for a while why the regions you dislike the most happen to be from East Turkey and the Arab world? Could it because they are even stricter followers of Islam than you are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    You might not have said that you wouldn't date or marry someone who isn't a Muslim...but would you really be able to date or marry someone who isn't a Muslim? I don't think so and we all know that most Muslims wouldn't unless their partners convert to Islam. So if anyone wants to have a chance with you and is not a Muslim, he better start considering becoming one.



    There is nothing wrong with other Muslim behaviours from a Qu'ranic perspective and like Anglojew said, there's nothing un-Islamic about their actions. Actually, have you tried to wonder for a while why the regions you dislike the most happen to be from East Turkey and the Arab world? Could it because they are even stricter followers of Islam than you are?
    What’s my fault about it if he wanted to convert Islam? He was asking me many questions about Islamic opinions and i replied him whenever i had some true answers for him. So he decided to convert after a year, that is the whole story. Also he was not Christian before. He was an agnostic who has an atheist father and christian mother. I did not make him confused about religions and beliefs i mean, he was already confused...

    I do not believe that Qur’an is an evil. It has subjective meanings, that is why everyone gets different meanings when they read it. If you wanna find smth evil in Qur’an, you will find it because your perspective will controle your brain to find smth bad in it but if your purpose is different, you will face with many other meanings and it has enough power to effect you. At least i think so.

    If i were you, i would not consider Muslims generally evil as much as you do. I am agree that most of the Muslims have clearly opposite views to you but i am not one of them, also i know many Muslims who are same with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    You are not necessarily inherently evil but you do endorse a religion\ideology that is unquestionably violent and backwards.

    Actually if I remember correctly, this German kid that used to be a member with whom you got along with apparently converted to Islam after getting in touch with you. It gives full support to my assessment that Muslims have the moral obligation of manipulating and converting others.
    Great point, Viriato, as always!Don't forget that we also never heard a word from him, after he converted.Surely he has joined ISIS or other Islamic terrorist groups, like all muslims do, eventually, and is killing christians , right as we speak.Moderators, and especially christian ones like loki, should keep an eye on this girl, itilvolga, God knows who will be the next fool to fall in her trap, she has already tried her tricks on me,but by God almighty grace I have rebuked her every time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by itilvolga View Post
    I did not force anyone to convert Islam, listen i really do not want to talk about it but he was reading Qur’an and interested in Islam. He even visited mosque in Germany many times (i did not want it from him at all), also i bet he has a crush with another Muslim (most likely Turkish) after me so he had a potential, otherwise do not think like i said “if you do not become muslim, i will not marry you” lol

    Also personally i am confused about being Muslim because of other Muslims’ behavior, it makes me very irritated but as i said before, i have no any problem with my religion, only with its uneducated followers. I have plenty of friends from European countries and most of them are racist or nationalist, just imagine if i were someone like you guess, would they even talk with me? I do not think so.
    The way you think others judge you is very much a reflection of the way you judge others.

    You paint really thick brush strokes over everything.

    When I was in Germany, I taught English to many Turkish children and became a friend to many Turkish parents. Only one Kebab shop owner showed mistrust or hatred when I told him I was Greek Cypriot, but after that one incident he gave me presents every time I visited him and was really friendly to me.

    Personally, I think that you are really entitled and should get off your high horse. You can share your opinion on different topics, but you are in no position to judge anything or anyone.
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