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    Default Was Winston Churchill more racist than Hitler?

    You be the judge.

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    In 1919, as Colonial Secretary Churchill advocated the use of chemical weapons on the "uncooperative Arabs" in the puppet state of Iraq. "I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas," he declared. "I am strongly in favor of using poison gas against uncivilized tribes."
    An example of Churchill's racial views are his comments made in 1937: "I do not admit that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race, has come in and taken their place."
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    "The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the Feeble-Minded and Insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among all the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate."
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    “Indeed it is evident that Christianity, however degraded and distorted by cruelty and intolerance, must always exert a modifying influence on men’s passions, and protect them from the more violent forms of fanatical fever, as we are protected from smallpox by vaccination. But the Mahommedan religion increases, instead of lessening, the fury of intolerance. It was originally propagated by the sword, and ever since, its votaries have been subject, above the people of all other creeds, to this form of madness.”
    Then of course there are his comments on Jews in his 'Zionism v. Bolshevism' article which I doubt I need to post, plus his anti-immigration remarks as PM in the early 50's which I trust most of us are aware.

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    Well let's be honest, even Churchill said he admired Hitler, he was just convinced that he was more of a threat to Britain than Stalin.

    He just happened to be wrong.

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    I like his statements!

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    This comes down to an analysis of words versus deeds. Churchill may have spoken of gassing a group of people he didn't like, but Hitler actually did so. From what I know about Churchill (I have a relatively negative-neutral opinion of him) and from the quotes Joe posted, I can't say it's clear that Churchill would've administered any sort of extermination program had he been able to do so. That said, I can't see how his racism compares to Hitler's.

    btw, my favorite Churchill quote was when he reputedly described Gandhi as a "half-naked fakir."
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    The usual mistake is to assume that Hitler was somehow an abberation, or that his views were extraordinary for his time and background.

    Same largely goes for Churchill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonCeorl View Post
    This comes down to an analysis of words versus deeds. Churchill may have spoken of gassing a group of people he didn't like, but Hitler actually did so.
    That's because he was never in a position where he had to do so. Hitler's actions came mostly when he back up against the wall, whereas Britain never had to face anything more a submarine blockade and some months of aerial bombardment, both of which paled in comparison to the ones inflicted on Germany, and never faced a serious threat of land invasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordoftheVistula View Post
    That's because he was never in a position where he had to do so. Hitler's actions came mostly when he back up against the wall, whereas Britain never had to face anything more a submarine blockade and some months of aerial bombardment, both of which paled in comparison to the ones inflicted on Germany, and never faced a serious threat of land invasion.
    What do you mean Hitler's back was against the wall? In what way? What does that have to do with his extermination policies?
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    The whole world basically invaded Germany. Most of the Jews died simply because they were in the concentration camps during a time when even Germans were lucky to survive outside of one. There is next to no evidence that Jews were "gassed." Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

    Correlation (German possession of gas and Jewish deaths at camps) does not equal causation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonCeorl View Post
    What do you mean Hitler's back was against the wall? In what way? What does that have to do with his extermination policies?
    Err, you saw what happened at the end of WWII correct? I would certainly say someone facing this drawing ever closer would have one's 'back against the wall'.

    If you're referring to his policy on jews, they were opponents of the NSDAP from the beginning, so naturally during a war one would want to round up people with a high likelihood to become spies & saboteurs. Towards the end of the war, they lacked food and medicine to give them, and also put many of them into forced labor since most of their adult men were in the military, resulting in the massive deaths in the camps towards the end of the war.

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    OK, I see where this is going...
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