Which is more gracile/progressive - Hallstatt or East Nordid?

[Hamlet]

Opinions? Morphs below.

Examples of Hallstatt Nordid:





Examples of East Nordid:





Compare by sex, by the way - as in, which male is the more gracile/progressive, and which female.

[Hamlet]

Bonus: Classify these mosaics below.

[Hamlet]

Bump.

[Hamlet]

Rebump, as it's worthy of discussion.

[Token]

Gracile is not the same as progressive and pure Nordids aren't gracile. Progressivity is a mark of any Capellid form with Nordid, West-Mediterranid, Iranid and Nordindid being particularly very progressive so we can't really say which type is more progressive in a general sense, it depends more on the individual.

[Hamlet]

Gracile is not the same as progressive and pure Nordids aren't gracile. Progressivity is a mark of any Capellid form with Nordid, West-Mediterranid, Iranid and Nordindid being particularly very progressive so we can't really say which type is more progressive in a general sense, it depends more on the individual.

Pure Nordids aren't gracile? That can't be right. I agree gracile differs from progressive though.

And sure, it varies by individual, but just referring to the morphs above, what would you say?

[Sikeliot]

East Nordid.

[Hamlet]

East Nordid.

Interesting, what makes you think that? To me, at least for the males, the Hallstatt looks a lot more progressive and gracile.

Also, what admixture did Hallstatts pick up from being Corded/E. Nordid to become lower headed and nosed and more angular than East Nordids, do you think?

[Token]

Pure Nordids aren't gracile? That can't be right. I agree gracile differs from progressive though.

And sure, it varies by individual, but just referring to the morphs above, what would you say?

Gracilization is a process that occurred due to human domestication and sedentarism after the Neolithic revolution that lead to the development of neotenic and infantile traits, if anything it's the complete opposite of progressivity. Nordids in general are tall, leptossome, strong-boned and the Proto-Nordid/Mediterranid strain was brought primarily by semi-nomadic herder-warriors that evoluted in relatively warm climates who lead to the development of what we call today as progressive traits. If a Nordid is gracilized he is not a pure Nordid.
These morphs are not really good because they don't show the sharp features that we typically see in Nordids, specially Skandonordids. I prefer to look at real individuals. Also, profile pictures are very important to analyze the progressivity of someone: you can't deduce the cephalic index, chin projection or nose form, that are very important progressive traits, without good pictures.

[Hamlet]

Gracilization is a process that occurred due to human domestication and sedentarism after the Neolithic revolution that lead to the development of neotenic and infantile traits, if anything it's the complete opposite of progressivity. Nordids in general are tall, leptossome, strong-boned and the Proto-Nordid/Mediterranid strain was brought primarily by semi-nomadic herder-warriors that evoluted in relatively warm climates who lead to the development of what we call today as progressive traits. If a Nordid is gracilized he is not a pure Nordid.
These morphs are not really good because they don't show the sharp features that we typically see in Nordids, specially Skandonordids. I prefer to look at real individuals. Also, profile pictures are very important to analyze the progressivity of someone: you can't deduce the cephalic index, chin projection or nose form, that are very important progressive traits, without good pictures.

Hmm, okay, ditching those terms (and I now totally get what you mean, I must admit I didn't know the difference in that much detail beforehand), which would you say is the most elegant/noble?