Results 1 to 6 of 6

Thread: European Union: A Marxist Utopia?

  1. #1
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Last Online
    12-08-2018 @ 06:13 PM
    Ethnicity
    Turkish
    Ancestry
    Oğuz / Turcoman
    Country
    Turkey
    Gender
    Posts
    10,237
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,722
    Given: 1,300

    1 Not allowed!

    Default European Union: A Marxist Utopia?

    As the Cold War came to an end and the political and economic system created by Stalin started to crumble – not least because a new generation of leftists started to regard it as an excessively conservative social force, especially because of Stalinism’s national and traditional great-Russian geopolitical programme[xxx] – Marxists and others went back to their founding texts of their creed and found there good reason to support the new creed of “globalisation”, so eagerly proclaimed by the West in the 1990s. They remembered Marx’s and Engels’ position on free trade and they recalled that Lenin had been friendly towards Western capitalists in the very earliest years of the revolution. [xxxi] As Milovan Djilas wrote in his account of the end of Communism, The Fall of the New Class,

    Every Marxist, going back to Marx himself and forward past Lenin, regarded the creation of a world market and all that it brought about (strengthening each and every link among peoples, tearing down the barriers between nations, etc.) as a progressive fact of capitalism and a necessary condition for proletarian internationalism itself and the true convergence of peoples in socialism. [xxxii]

    Engels argued that capitalism would destroy nationhood and prepare the way for full freedom, he expressed himself using a modern form of the old alchemists’ formula, solve et coagula:


    The disintegration of mankind into a mass of isolated, mutually repelling atoms in itself means the destruction of all corporate, national and indeed of any particular interests and is the last necessary step towards the free and spontaneous association of men. [xxxiv]


    This is nothing but the well-known Marxist doctrine of the withering away of the state. For Marxists, indeed, the state is by definition a mechanism of oppression and freedom therefore cannot be achieved until the state withers away. Engels wrote: “The administration of things and the direction of production processes replaces the government of persons. The state is not “abolished”, it dies off.”[xxxv] Lenin wrote, “So long as the state exists, there is no freedom. When there will be freedom, there will be no state.”[xxxvi] Elsewhere, he wrote, “A United States of the World (not of Europe alone) is the state form of the union and freedom of nations which we associate with socialism – until the complete victory of communism beings about the total disappearance of the state, including the democratic state.” [xxxvii] Elsewhere, he elaborated on this famous thought:

    Accounting and control – that is the main thing required for “arranging” the smooth working, the correct functioning of the first phase of communist society … The whole of society will have become a single office and a single factory, with equality of labour and equality of pay. [xxxviii]

    In other words, the European construction holds for many the same appeal as Marxism did. It offers the indeterminacy which comes from the denial of any natural order and indeed of truth itself; a concomitant apparent escape from politics and from the decisionism associated with it; a political system in a state of permanent flux; the withering away of the (nation-)state; and its replacement by a new system based on supposedly unpolitical administration. The overcoming of the nation-state, a programme which is central to the European ideology, in fact turns out to be the overcoming of the state tout court and its replacement by a European - and perhaps, one day, a world - statelessness. With numerous former Communist apparatchiks now heads of government and heads of state in EU countries, eagerly cooperating in the dissolution of statehood at both the European and world level, it is clear that the transition from Soviet Union to European Union was easier for many than one might initially have guessed.
    http://www.idc-europe.org/en/The-Eur...Marxist-Utopia

  2. #2
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Last Online
    06-05-2021 @ 05:39 PM
    Location
    Boolgaria
    Ethnicity
    Boolgar
    Country
    European Union
    Y-DNA
    I2a1a2b (I-L621)
    mtDNA
    H3
    Taxonomy
    Paleo Atlantid (actually Dinarid + Westbaltid parents)
    Hero
    Database error
    Age
    25
    Gender
    Posts
    14,037
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 17,773
    Given: 1,799

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Have you ever heard the story of the fox who couldn't reach the grapes

  3. #3
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Last Online
    12-08-2018 @ 06:13 PM
    Ethnicity
    Turkish
    Ancestry
    Oğuz / Turcoman
    Country
    Turkey
    Gender
    Posts
    10,237
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,722
    Given: 1,300

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Russian defect Vladimir Bukovksy: Turning the common market (EU before 2000) into a federal state was agreed between left-wing European parties and Soviet Moscow in 1980's,


  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Crusader's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Last Online
    12-28-2019 @ 11:02 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Mediterranean
    Ethnicity
    White
    Country
    France
    Gender
    Posts
    348
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 118
    Given: 87

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    yes it is pure utopia example EU is a capitalism of the old right wing of yesterday but socialist enjoy it they have flow of money from Bruxelles and they enjoy playing they spend those billions of euros
    The Lord Is My Shepherd
    1 A Psalm of David. The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. 2 He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters.1 3 He restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness2 for his name’s sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,3 I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. 6 Surely4 goodness and mercy5 shall follow me all the days of my life, and I shall dwell6 in the house of the Lord forever.7

  5. #5
    Veteran Member
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"


    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    Wildling
    Ancestry
    Cumbria, Scotland, Northumberland, Shetland
    Country
    Scotland
    Y-DNA
    R-L21*
    mtDNA
    K1C2a
    Gender
    Posts
    21,608
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 19,710
    Given: 5,851

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Promotes more libertarian values than Marxism. The free single market and promotes privatisation competition against state sector by law.

    The parliament's largest group is the European People's Party, a centre right party.

  6. #6
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Last Online
    02-13-2024 @ 02:18 PM
    Location
    In the absence of omnipresent
    Ethnicity
    Brazilian
    Ancestry
    Diverse
    Country
    Brazil
    Region
    Minas Gerais
    Taxonomy
    North Pontid-Iranid-Faelid
    Politics
    Pragmathic
    Gender
    Posts
    8,447
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 4,154
    Given: 1,061

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Linebacker View Post
    Have you ever heard the story of the fox who couldn't reach the grapes
    In Brazil we talk about the monkey and bananas... Ops, monkeys can scale banana trees, turks can migrate to Germany and obtain Bundesbürguer...

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. The European Union is funding us
    By Virtuous in forum Malta
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 04-18-2013, 03:35 PM
  2. Replies: 157
    Last Post: 01-03-2013, 08:22 AM
  3. The European Union - the New Soviet Union?
    By The Lawspeaker in forum European Union
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 10-04-2009, 02:13 PM
  4. What are your thoughts on the European Union
    By Skandi in forum European Union
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 05-07-2009, 08:38 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •