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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I am currently looking into the Book of Enoch (actually Books of Enoch), and find it fascinating. It is said to have been written originally by Enoch, one of the early patriarchs before the time of Noah's Flood. The books recount interesting stories about the early days, with fallen angels called the Nephilim, giants, and many other fascinating things. Also, often things are talked about in the other books of the Bible, and it turns out the info came from the Book of Enoch. It is even quoted in another book of the Bible. Many things about the Bible seem to make more sense with this added information.. almost like a missing piece of the puzzle. Also these days many people are discussing it on YouTube, as it has eschatological importance. I personally find its accounts of the antediluvian world fascinating. But I need to acquire the full book for myself first to study it properly.

    It is also said that the book gives insight into early Christian thinking, as the early Christians used it a lot, and also Jewish thinking at the time, and the development of Talmudic Judaism. But the Jews didn't like the Book of Enoch at all, for a few reasons.

    Here is a short review of the book:

    “The Book of Enoch” is not part of the biblical canon as used by Jews, apart from Beta Israel. Most Christian denominations and traditions may accept the Books of Enoch as having some historical or theological interest, but they generally regard the Books of Enoch as non-canonical or non-inspired. It is regarded as canonical by the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church, but not by any other Christian groups. It is wholly extant only in the Ge'ez language, with Aramaic fragments from the Dead Sea Scrolls and a few Greek and Latin fragments. For this and other reasons, the traditional Ethiopian belief is that the original language of the work was Ge'ez, whereas non-Ethiopian scholars tend to assert that it was first written in either Aramaic or Hebrew; Ephraim Isaac suggests that the Book of Enoch, like the Book of Daniel, was composed partially in Aramaic and partially in Hebrew. No Hebrew version is known to have survived. It is asserted in the book itself that its author was Enoch, before the Biblical Flood. Although evidently widely known during the development of the Hebrew Bible canon, 1 Enoch was excluded from both the formal canon of the Tanakh and the typical canon of the Septuagint and therefore, also from the writings known today as the Deuterocanon. One possible reason for Jewish rejection of the book might be the textual nature of several early sections of the book that make use of material from the Torah; for example, 1 En 1 is a midrash of Deuteronomy 33. The content, particularly detailed descriptions of fallen angels, would also be a reason for rejection from the Hebrew canon at this period – as illustrated by the comments of Trypho the Jew when debating with Justin Martyr on this subject: "The utterances of God are holy, but your expositions are mere contrivances, as is plain from what has been explained by you; nay, even blasphemies, for you assert that angels sinned and revolted from God." (Dialogue 79) The Book of Enoch was considered as scripture in the Epistle of Barnabas (16:4) and by many of the early Church Fathers, such as Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus and Tertullian, who wrote c. 200 that the Book of Enoch had been rejected by the Jews because it contained prophecies pertaining to Christ. However, later Fathers denied the canonicity of the book, and some even considered the Epistle of Jude uncanonical because it refers to an "apocryphal" work.
    It's funny how Enoch isn't considered canonical when it is quoted by Jesus yet Esther is considered canonical while asserting that the Father actually had his people adopt a Babylonian holiday of degeneracy (Purim)! And had a daughter of Israel given to a foreign husband when elsewhere he condemns this act.

    Also, which Book of Enoch do you refer to? Not the Ethiopian version I assume, as the Ethiopians were given Judaism by false Jews and you seem to be at least aware of "judiazers".

    What is your opinion on the Dead Sea Scrolls as a whole? It is unsettled in my mind. I have heard it asserted that it seems that they were a collection of genuine scripture but also that they had collected works of the devil almost as if to ensure awareness of false doctrines found in the Damascus Document for example. I personally find this to be a valid viewpoint, but I'd add that "Israelis" did take them away and release them much later which is beyond sketchy, not to mention that many fragments bought by museums around the world have allegedly been found to be fake. Therefore any anti-scriptural texts found in the collection could have simply been added at the time in which they were in the hands of the judiazers. Either way, it seems to me they were a genuine collection that was taken and torn to pieces by Edom, as non-"israeli" eye witnesses assert that many documents were intact to begin with. And I cannot fathom that false jews would leave true documents unadulterated. But I then have to wonder why they would leave certain pieces intact, pieces that support a Christian viewpoint. Did they burn the original and create a fake so that later these pieces could be discovered as fake? Did they include only just enough of what they thought was witnessed by Christians before they had been hidden away? Did they include just enough that Christians would think we had rediscovered old truths while in fact most were disposed of? Did they do it to build Christian perception of Israeli honesty? Did they include just enough to inspire Christians to accept the collection as a whole, added/anti-scriptural works and all? The question of why Israelis wouldn't have destroyed these documents altogether in the same way that they destroy the evidence of giants, does need to be addressed in my opinion.

    Lastly, along the lines of Apocryphal works, have you read the Testament of the 12 Patriarchs (found among the Dead Sea Scrolls as well)? I found it to be very insightful and nothing stuck out to me as anti-scriptural in my initial reading. I had always thought a book like it should exist so I hope that's not the only reason I found it to seem authentic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Swan View Post
    We agree on a lot here. Like, what is with all the mindless queen worship even from people who know that she was far from representing the nation? Nothing but a ritual. Not to mention how she did not even have the real stone of Jacob at her coronation as it had been taken back by Scotland at the last moment, the real reason she made them film from afar. Anyways, we differ on that I believe there is always a real and a fake, since evil cannot create and only pervert. So there is a real end times scenario and a false end times scenario which is crafted so that they align in such a way that the antichrist appears as the christ and this is how many are deceived. For example, they already had their false regathering of Israel with WW2, and false gog magog invasion seems to be happening at present, both of which judeo-chrisitans are absolutely eating up despite explicit warnings from Jesus against the plots of the fake Jews.
    Yes, they openly broadcast their rituals to get as many to unwittingly participate as possible, because they think it gives them power to make their next move, which is kind of accurate. All building up for their end goal which is to kill off "Europeans".
    They believe that once they have completely destroyed the power of "whites", that is when their "messiah" comes to finish the job, which is also partially accurate. It seems they are much closer to accomplishing this than 2028, doesn't it? But of course people have always felt the end was at hand since in comparison to the past it always is closer.

    I'm very interested to hear why you say 2028?
    The idea isnt to just kill off europeans or whites bro. This is about literally wiping out Human civilization as a whole. People here have a hard time understanding that governments all around the world dont give a shit about their own citizens. They are there keep you in check and make sure you dont open your mouth about their plans. Thats it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Swan View Post
    We agree on a lot here. Like, what is with all the mindless queen worship even from people who know that she was far from representing the nation? Nothing but a ritual. Not to mention how she did not even have the real stone of Jacob at her coronation as it had been taken back by Scotland at the last moment, the real reason she made them film from afar. Anyways, we differ on that I believe there is always a real and a fake, since evil cannot create and only pervert. So there is a real end times scenario and a false end times scenario which is crafted so that they align in such a way that the antichrist appears as the christ and this is how many are deceived. For example, they already had their false regathering of Israel with WW2, and false gog magog invasion seems to be happening at present, both of which judeo-chrisitans are absolutely eating up despite explicit warnings from Jesus against the plots of the fake Jews.
    Yes, they openly broadcast their rituals to get as many to unwittingly participate as possible, because they think it gives them power to make their next move, which is kind of accurate. All building up for their end goal which is to kill off "Europeans".
    They believe that once they have completely destroyed the power of "whites", that is when their "messiah" comes to finish the job, which is also partially accurate. It seems they are much closer to accomplishing this than 2028, doesn't it? But of course people have always felt the end was at hand since in comparison to the past it always is closer.

    I'm very interested to hear why you say 2028?
    Why 2028? They follow mythology, astrology, gematria etc Pretty much everything that was seen and taught as a load of mystic bullshit or something they should fear (the ouija board comes to mind) in western society...on purpose. So-called scientists are opening up demonic portals in Switzerland for fuck sakes and even have a giant statue of Shiva the Destroyer in Switzerland...science and religion always collide as they say but only if it's pertains to christianity apparently. I wonder why.


    Even Hitler embraced the occult and had a personal magician called Erik Jan Hanussen, a famous astrologer and master of several occult disciplines. They all embrace the occult!

    Let's not forget about Rasputin. World leaders always were and always will be occultists.

    Trust the science bro, it's for the greater good.

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    From dna evidences that european jews are actually arabs proves to me jewishness is a sheer fabrication, the whole jewishness has been fake. When Luther removed old testaments from the Bible you have no obligation to believe in any Abrahamic testaments anymore, Dead Sea scrolls shall only have historical significance not religious to me. To me all I can testify better is what I trust as the true prophets like Martin Luther, JS Bach, Shakyamuni and other great people which work and have worked not necessarily directly in religious or Christian domains, but whose heart is true; not Abraham, Moses, the arkofcovenant, that kinds of stuffs. I do not believe for others people sake but myself. Our whole religious institutions of Christianity and Budhism both have a huge amount of additives of falsities we need to sort out the truth by our own efforts, science? any thing given/presented on plates to your face as fact should be doubted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Swan View Post
    We agree on a lot here. Like, what is with all the mindless queen worship even from people who know that she was far from representing the nation? Nothing but a ritual. Not to mention how she did not even have the real stone of Jacob at her coronation as it had been taken back by Scotland at the last moment, the real reason she made them film from afar. Anyways, we differ on that I believe there is always a real and a fake, since evil cannot create and only pervert. So there is a real end times scenario and a false end times scenario which is crafted so that they align in such a way that the antichrist appears as the christ and this is how many are deceived. For example, they already had their false regathering of Israel with WW2, and false gog magog invasion seems to be happening at present, both of which judeo-chrisitans are absolutely eating up despite explicit warnings from Jesus against the plots of the fake Jews.
    Yes, they openly broadcast their rituals to get as many to unwittingly participate as possible, because they think it gives them power to make their next move, which is kind of accurate. All building up for their end goal which is to kill off "Europeans".
    They believe that once they have completely destroyed the power of "whites", that is when their "messiah" comes to finish the job, which is also partially accurate. It seems they are much closer to accomplishing this than 2028, doesn't it? But of course people have always felt the end was at hand since in comparison to the past it always is closer.

    I'm very interested to hear why you say 2028?
    They love their numbers. Like Tesla said, numbers hold secrets to the universe.

    2030 in gematria for example. For normies it's just bs or a conspircacy but to them it's prophetic.



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