So how much Crusader ancestry do Levantine Christians really have?

[Hadouken]

Ignorant post with agenda.

They are Cypriot-like, not Cretan like.

Levantines are certainly not 70% Cretan or even Sicilian, what the hell are you talking about? If anything, the European shifted Levantines are closer to Sicilians. Cretans have different components from Sicilians, since going by Y-DNA, Sicilians are more Germanic and Italic. Cretans are more Greek.

Levantines don't have Greek ancestry in order to be close to Cretans. They are close to Cypriots because of their shared Levantine ancestry. I already explained that there is no Levantine in Crete, the exotic Cretan spectrum is Armenian, because the Byzantines settled Armenians here.




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I wonder something ...is nobody able to use your ethnicity/island in a post without getting accused of an agenda ? how stupid is that . I dont have any agenda

they are indeed more cypriot like than cretan BUT it also depends on how you model them . instead of 70% cypriot and 30% yemen that I showed you could also make it 50% cretan as I also showed in one oracle

and cretans are relatively close to cypriots (and sicilians) anyway just more north/west shifted a little but it also depends on person . there have been cretan results posted I think you have ignored it for whatever rason

and last but not least : I didnt say Cretans = Levantines . especially because I said that the Levantines have arabian admix which makes a differences ...so dont worry and chill dude seriously wtf

[Lavrentis]

I wonder something ...is nobody able to use your ethnicity/island in a post without getting accused of an agenda ? how stupid is that . I dont have any agenda

they are indeed more cypriot like than cretan BUT it also depends on how you model them . instead of 70% cypriot and 30% yemen that I showed you could also make it 50% cretan as I also showed in one oracle

and cretans are relatively close to cypriots (and sicilians) anyway just more north/west shifted a little but it also depends on person . there have been cretan results posted I think you have ignored it for whatever rason

and last but not least : I didnt say Cretans = Levantines . especially because I said that the Levantines have arabian admix which makes a differences ...so dont worry and chill dude seriously wtf

Okay you're right.

Btw I didn't say that you said that Cretans are Levantines. But you said that Levantines are 70% Cretan and that's wrong man, it really is very wrong. Levantines cannot be easily modeled as something anyway

[Bobby Martnen]

I cannot give you an exact answer, but I can speak for my own personal experience.

My families last name is Sawaya, which I have been told was a transliteration of the Sovoy, which is a area between France/Italy.

The story is that Crusaders settled in the Levant and decided to stay. The surname obviously was used to determine where they are from, not any other meaning.

Obviously the population was quickly absorbed, so 3-5% sounds reasonable.

For more information about Sovoy/Sawaya, please check this link:
https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surn...voia/3/mb.ashx

What is your Y-DNA haplogroup?

[Abdelnour]

What is your Y-DNA haplogroup?

I haven't taken a DNA test yet, though I should now considering the topic at hand and what I have written earlier.

When I do, I'll make sure to post it on this site and then PM you when I do post it.

[Hadouken]

Okay you're right.

Btw I didn't say that you said that Cretans are Levantines. But you said that Levantines are 70% Cretan and that's wrong man, it really is very wrong. Levantines cannot be easily modeled as something anyway

yes I think that it was too fast from me to say 70% cretan . it is rather 70% cypriot

but 50% cretan + 50% yemen or something makes sense . I will look later into more results of lebanese

I also find interesting that they can be modelled as 60% Armenian and 40% Algerian/Tunisian

[Kelmendasi]

yes I think that it was too fast from me to say 70% cretan . it is rather 70% cypriot

but 50% cretan + 50% yemen or something makes sense . I will look later into more results of lebanese

I also find interesting that they can be modelled as 60% Armenian and 40% Algerian/Tunisian

We could basically call them a mix of East Med and SW Asian, probably around 70-80% East Med and 30-20% SW Asian on average or something similar

[Anthropos]

You can't expect all European genetic influence to be of crusader origin. Also, didn't the overwhelming number of crusaders return back home? The crusades probably resulted in more genetic flow to Europe than out of Europe.

[Hadouken]

We could basically call them a mix of East Med and SW Asian, probably around 70-80% East Med and 30-20% SW Asian on average or something similar

in what way ? if you talk about admixture components then this wouldnt be accurate . if you mean as a population then yes 70-30 makes sense

[Bobby Martnen]

I haven't taken a DNA test yet, though I should now considering the topic at hand and what I have written earlier.

When I do, I'll make sure to post it on this site and then PM you when I do post it.

Awesome! If you belong to I-M253, R1b, or a subclade, you're probably of Western European paternal origin.

[Sikeliot]

Ignorant post with agenda.

They are Cypriot-like, not Cretan like.

Levantines are certainly not 70% Cretan or even Sicilian, what the hell are you talking about? If anything, the European shifted Levantines are closer to Sicilians. Cretans have different components from Sicilians, since going by Y-DNA, Sicilians are more Germanic and Italic. Cretans are more Greek.

There is Germanic influence in northwest Sicily but if you removed it, these people would plot outside of Europe and be almost identical to Tunisian/Moroccan/Algerian Jews. Sephardim with North African input. It is people in northeastern Sicily who are closer to Cretans, but with slightly less North European.

Western Sicilians when you remove any Norman are basically genetically identical not to Cretans, but to North African Jews. You see this in many results that have lower North European input, they are close to Moroccan Jews.