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[The Lawspeaker]

Which is why pan-Europeanism, like any other pan ideologies, will never work in the long run unless you want to have a continent wide Yugoslavia that will end up in blood shed and violence. Personally, I think it's best for the Dutch to focus their relations with those who are very close to them, both racially and culturally, with their neighbors in my opinion. I mean, I had read your thread that you had created more than 7 years ago about political views on certain things and so on, and yeah, I agree with your views in regards to internationalism and so on which you stated that you oppose such things except rekindling relations with other Germanic countries.

I feel sorry for all those Hungarians, Croats and Austrians (and later on Russians (and Finns and Fenno-Swedes in Russia's army as well !)) who had to die to liberate their ungrateful hides during the 17th to 19th century. They should have left them to their old friends.

[Kamal900]

You inbred imbecile. I asked you Where did Jesus say that you have to control the territory of the holy land and wage massive war for it?

Come on, 7abiby. Neither its in the Torah and the Quran that asks Jews and Muslims to invade the holy land either. I mean, as a Palestinian, I don't mind Europeans as a whole to live in the holy land for me to get closer to Christ or something which we actually had some Christians from Germany, the Netherlands and even some White Americans used to live there as well before most of them fled to Europe after Israel was created by the Jewish nationalist terrorist organizations like the Irgun for example.

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You idiot. Do you really think it was even possible to visit those sites at that time without Muslims killing pilgrims ? That's why they went there: to liberate Jerusalem.

Religious fanatic racist garbage, you didn't answer my question which is very simple - Where did Jesus say that you have to control the territory of the holy land and wage massive war for it?

[The Lawspeaker]

Religious fanatic racist garbage, you didn't answer my question which is very simple - Where did Jesus say that you have to control the territory of the holy land and wage massive war for it?

There have been no crusades had there been no Islamic invasion. Did you ever think of that one ? Of course not because that doesn't suit your agenda.

[Kamal900]

I feel sorry for all those Hungarians, Croats and Austrians (and later on Russians (and Finns and Fenno-Swedes in Russia's army as well !)) who had to die to liberate their ungrateful hides during the 17th to 19th century. They should have left them to their old friends.

Because they're never return the favor which is why pan-ideologies fail in the long run like what happened with the pan-Arabists in the 50's and 60's for example. Anyone that advocates for pan-ideologies clearly never read history.

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Come on, 7abiby. Neither its in the Torah and the Quran that asks Jews and Muslims to invade the holy land either.

That's the point. Both the Crusades and the Jihad are massive warfare that goes directly against the teachings of the religions. I don't know about the Quran, but Christianity isn't about waging wars. That's for certain. People who support Crusades or Jihad and think there should be new ones are religious fanatics and xenophobes.

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There have been no crusades had there been no Islamic invasion. Did you ever think of that one ? Of course not because that doesn't suit your agenda.

Stupid coward. You don't answer the question with another question. I asked very simply - Where did Jesus say that you have to control the territory of the holy land and wage massive war for it?

[The Lawspeaker]

That's the point. Both the Crusades and the Jihad are massive warfare that goes directly against the teachings of the religions. I don't know about the Quran, but Christianity isn't about waging wars. That's for certain. People who support Crusades or Jihad and think there should be new ones are religious fanatics and xenophobes.

Actually: Islam is all about jihad so spare us the taqqiyah.

[The Lawspeaker]

Stupid coward. You don't answer the question with another question. I asked very simply - Where did Jesus say that you have to control the territory of the holy land and wage massive war for it?

You don't deserve any answers because you're dishonest: you refuse to condemn the Muslims for first invading the Holy Land and you even excuse them by saying it's not part of their "religion" whereas jihad very much is.

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Actually: Islam is all about jihad so spare us the taqqiyah.

If that's the case then it's a bad teaching. I know that Muhammad was a military leader, but I didn't want to offend Muslims in the forum. Now answer you stupid dog - Where did Jesus say that you have to control the territory of the holy land and wage massive war for it?