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[The Lawspeaker]

I am sure that Invictus would also consider the Reconquista to be "Christian aggression". Because that's the kind of guy he is: after all.. Spain had fallen. It was a fait accompli.

[The Lawspeaker]

Or the re-taking of the Balkans in the centuries when Johnny Turk had been beaten at Vienna. Also "aggression" because Islamic domination there too was a fait accompli. Until the Christians chucked them out.

[-Invictus-]

Well, I know it's going to sound weird for you, but the crusades isn't on the same level as the Islamic Jihadists of today. In fact, many Arab Muslim scholars during that time period praised the Europeans for treating the locals with respect and honor, esp the local Arab and non-Arab Christians, and acknowledges the fact that an Arab trusts a foreigner a lot more than his fellow Arab kin. In fact, we had many Bedouin Christians from Jerusalem which many of them fled to Jordan after Israel was created, and they see European Christians as their kin for example other than their fellow Muslim Bedouins. You don't know much about us, do you?

Oh yes, the widely known Arab love for Christianity. There were Arab Christians who liked Christianity. Who would have thought? Also Jihadists today are pathetic, but the crusades weren't very holy either. Some stupid dog(not you) who doesn't know the ugly face of death says that killing thousands in the name of God is great and honorable. What a fucking joke. It was all for territory, power and conquest. The truth is that the holy land was used as an excuse. My country was under Islamic rule for 500 years and the Western powers didn't move their fingers. They were busy fighting themselves and for their colonial empires.

[-Invictus-]

I am sure that Invictus would also consider the Reconquista to be "Christian aggression". Because that's the kind of guy he is: after all.. Spain had fallen. It was a fait accompli.

I already said that the Reconquista was defensive war, because the Spaniards were defending their lands. Not going on a massive occupation thousands of km abroad.

By the way

Where did Jesus say that you have to control the territory of the holy land and wage massive war for it?

[The Lawspeaker]

Oh yes, the widely known Arab love for Christianity. There were Arab Christians who liked Christianity. Who would have thought? Also Jihadists today are pathetic, but the crusades weren't very holy either. Some stupid dog(not you) who doesn't know the ugly face of death says that killing thousands in the name of God is great and honorable. What a fucking joke. It was all for territory, power and conquest. The truth is that the holy land was used as an excuse. My country was under Islamic rule for 500 years and the Western powers didn't move their fingers. They were busy fighting themselves and for their colonial empires.

Why would they lift a finger after you lot yourselves had worked with Johnny Turk ? Why would they have died for you lot up there ? The Austrians, the Hungarians and later Russians came to die for you in great numbers. See how grateful you are.

[The Lawspeaker]

I already said that the Reconquista was defensive war, because the Spaniards were defending their lands. Not going on a massive occupation thousands of km abroad.

And so was the Holy Land which was Christian soil. Deal with it. We would call it Reconquista today if we had won. Oh btw: there was no Spain back in them days. There were a series of small kingdoms.

[-Invictus-]

Why would they lift a finger after you lot yourselves had worked with Johnny Turk ? Why would they have died for you lot up there ? The Austrians, the Hungarians and later Russians came to die for you in great numbers. See how grateful you are.

When did they do it? I am grateful for all who came. I just see beyond the hypocrisy of the crusades. If they were about defending Christian lands, then the Ottomans wouldn't have even reach Constantinople. You know it's true.

Also a question that you avoid :

Where did Jesus say that you have to control the territory of the holy land and wage massive war for it?

Shieldwolf is also welcome to answer as I see him spamming upvotes on you and downvotes on me. I don't understand. Is your Jesus a military leader like Muhammad or you can't accept that you are radical fanatics as the Muslims who support Jihad?

[The Lawspeaker]

When did they do it? I am grateful for all who came. I just see beyond the hypocrisy of the crusades. If they were about defending Christian lands, then the Ottomans wouldn't have even reach Constantinople. You know it's true.

Wrong again: They wouldn't have made it to Constantinople had you lot fought alongside the West to defend the Holy Land. That would have been the war. They wouldn't have made it all the way up to the Balkans. But you lot decided to overcharge crusaders, give them rotten supplies and sell the good stuff to the Turks.

[-Invictus-]

And so was the Holy Land which was Christian soil.

Where did Jesus mention that it should be Christian soil? You follow his teachings right?

[Kamal900]

Exactly. Many of the horror stories were Islamic propaganda tales which were centuries later on copied and spread on spread by anticlericals (the forefathers of the Leftists) and the Leftists themselves. For obvious reasons, of course: to dismantle Christian Europe and make it ripe for plunder. Indeed: Christianity has the dogma of Just War which was applied here.

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You know what's funny? Is that Arabs had been Christians far longer than Slavs where Arabs began converting to the religion as early as the 1st century AD(from the ancient Nabateans to the kingdom of Edessa ruled by the Abjar dynasty - a nabatean Arab dynasty of Eastern Turkey) where they most of the Arabs were Christians by the 4th and 5th centuries while Slavs began converting to Christianity in the early middle ages. But the image that Arabs can be Christians is weird for many people since many peoples in the west think that all Muslims are Arabs and vice versa which is completely untrue.