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**~~-Invictus-~~** · 08-01-2020, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker

Hey crusader! What is that pink thing between Bulgaria and Rum(Seljuks) called Latin empire? It must be very Christian and holy!

**The Lawspeaker** · 08-01-2020, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by -Invictus-

Hey crusader! What is that pink thing between Bulgaria and Rum(Seljuks) called Latin empire? It must be very Christian and holy!

As I said: traitors get paid a traitor's wage. But the best was yet to come when your old buddies showed up in 1453. Better still: your double-crossing also destroyed the position Constantinople once held as a trade emporium. That one moved to the Italian cities (Amalfi, Venice, Genoa) and then north. For your turncoat'ing you got paid more than the measure. More than the measure.

**~~-Invictus-~~** · 08-01-2020, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker

There you say it: conquest. Did you know who also opened the gates for the Moors in Spain during the Islamic invasion ? Guess... ?

So you fight fire with fire and start massive religious invasions in the name of Jesus. Wow, a true Christian. Let me exaggerate out of proportion like you do with Stalin

I bet you think Hitler was a great Christian.

**The Lawspeaker** · 08-01-2020, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by -Invictus-

So you fight fire with fire and start massive religious invasions in the name of Jesus.

What would you have suggested ? Lying down until they conquered the whole of Europe as well. Ooh no wait: that's the scenario you people are trying to bring into reality now.

**~~Kamal900~~** · 08-01-2020, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by -Invictus-

So you fight fire with fire and start massive religious invasions in the name of Jesus. Wow, a true Christian. Let me exaggerate out of proportion like you do with Stalin

I bet you think Hitler was a great Christian.

Well, he wasn't a Christian per say, and many Nazis disavow Christianity back then.

**The Lawspeaker** · 08-01-2020, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by Kamal900

Well, he wasn't a Christian per say, and many Nazis disavow Christianity back then.

He hated the Church and the Church hated him. In fact: in several occupied countries, being a member of an affiliated organisation meant instant excommunication.

**~~-Invictus-~~** · 08-01-2020, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker

As I said: traitors get paid a traitor's wage. But the best was yet to come when your old buddies showed up in 1453. Better still: your double-crossing also destroyed the position Constantinople once held as a trade emporium. That one moved to the Italian cities (Amalfi, Venice, Genoa) and then north.

You are really stupid. You paved the way for these "old buddies" to spread Islam and you let them oppress us for 500 years(not like today's "oppression" of not agreeing that there are countless genders). What a great Christian. The crusades were totally in self-defense of Christian values. Not for any personal gain

**The Lawspeaker** · 08-01-2020, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by -Invictus-

You are really stupid. You paved the way for these "old buddies" to spread Islam and you let them oppress us for 500 years(not like today's "oppression" of not agreeing that there are countless genders). What a great Christian. The crusades were totally in self-defense of Christian values. Not for any personal gain

No... you lot paved that way. They wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the Balkans, had you lot held your backs straight and marched onto the Holy Land to do battle. That's where the front was... until the front was there no more. Then you lot became the front.

**~~Kamal900~~** · 08-01-2020, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker

He hated the Church and the Church hated him. In fact: in several occupied countries, being a member of an affiliated organisation meant instant excommunication.

He even stated himself that Christianity isn't the religion of the "Aryan" peoples of Europe, and he wanted to go back to Germanic paganism against..kind of like Varg really in his views really.I mean, while some find the fall of Constantinople as a tragedy, others see that the fall of one city can be the rise of other cities that can be as productive if not more so than Constantinople ever had in it's history like the great cities in Northern Italy and later on the cities of North-Central Europe that relied heavily on marine trade like in the Netherlands and so on.

**~~-Invictus-~~** · 08-01-2020, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker

What would you have suggested ? Lying down until they conquered the whole of Europe as well. Ooh no wait: that's the scenario you people are trying to bring into reality now.

Supporting the Byzantine empire instead of trying to conquer it. Aim not to retake some holy land in the "name of Jesus" 500 years after it was conquered by Muslims, but keeping Muslims away from Constantinople and Europe.