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    Fascinating! For more than 2,000 years, Albania has been a part of the largest and most powerful empires and kingdoms in Europe/the world. Not many other countries can claim they were once part of:

    Ancient Macedonia
    The Roman Republic
    The Roman Empire
    The Byzantine Empire
    The Second Bulgarian Empire
    Serbia
    Greece
    The Ottoman Empire
    The Kingdom of Italy
    Nazi Germany
    The Warsaw Pact

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Fascinating! For more than 2,000 years, Albania has been a part of the largest and most powerful empires and kingdoms in Europe/the world. Not many other countries can claim they were once part of:

    Ancient Macedonia
    The Roman Republic
    The Roman Empire
    The Byzantine Empire
    The Second Bulgarian Empire
    Serbia
    Greece
    The Ottoman Empire
    The Kingdom of Italy
    Nazi Germany
    The Warsaw Pact

    etc
    Few people, however, knew that this little mountainous country had given rise to Roman legions, Roman emperors, Byzantine mercenaries and generals, grand viziers and Egyptian khedives, and that the pope had bestowed the title of “Defender of Christianity” upon Skanderbeg.

    Source: Hermann Neubacher, Sonderauftrag Südost 1940-45: Bericht eines fliegenden Diplomaten (Göttingen 1956)

    Meanwhile I explored the environs of Scutari. They are strewn with the wreckage of dead Empires–past Powers–only the Albanian "goes on for ever."

    Edith Durham - High Albania

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Fascinating! For more than 2,000 years, Albania has been a part of the largest and most powerful empires and kingdoms in Europe/the world. Not many other countries can claim they were once part of:

    Ancient Macedonia
    The Roman Republic
    The Roman Empire
    The Byzantine Empire
    The Second Bulgarian Empire
    Serbia
    Greece
    The Ottoman Empire
    The Kingdom of Italy
    Nazi Germany
    The Warsaw Pact

    etc


    The last meeting between Albanian and Soviet leadership in the office of Khrushchev in Kremlin before the Soviet-Albanian split during the meeting of 81 communist parties in Moscow on November 10, 1960:

    The meeting was held in Khrushchev's office and he began as usual:

    «You have the floor. We are listening.»

    «You requested the meeting,» I said, «you speak first.»

    Khrushchev had to accept. Right f rom the start we were convinced that, in fact, he had come with the hope that, if he could not avoid, at least, he could soften the criticism that we were going to make at the meeting. Then, even if this meeting did not yield any result, he would use it, as usual, as an «argument» for the representatives of other parties to tell them, «See, we offered our hand to the Albanians once again, but they persisted in their course.»

    Khrushchev and the others tried to cast the blame on our Party and feigned astonishment when we related historically how the differences between our parties had arisen.

    «I am unaware that I had any conflict with Comrade Kapo in Bucharest,» said Khrushchev without a blush.

    «The Central Committee of our Party was not and is not in agreement with Bucharest,- I told him.

    «That is .of no importance, but the fact is that even before Bucharest you were not in agreement with us and you did not teli us this.»

    Of course, the charlatan was lying and lying deliberately. Was it not this same Khrushchev who, in April 1957, wanted to arrogantly break off the talks, and even earlier in 1955 and 1956, had we not told Khrushchev and Suslov of our opposition over Tito, Nagy, Kadar ,and Gomulka?

    Mehmet mentioned some of these facts to them and Mikoyan was obliged to mutter agreement.

    But when he saw that he had his back to the wall, Khrushchev hopped from branch to branch, from one theme to the other, and it was impossible to discuss with him the major issues of principle which were in essence the source of the differences. Of course, he was not interested in touching on these things. He wanted the submission of the Party of Labour of Albania and the Albanian people, he was their enemy.

    «You are not in favour of putting our relations in order,» said Khrushchev.

    «We want to put them in order, but first you must acknowledge your mistakes,N we told him.

    The talk with us irritated Khrushchev. Of course, he was not used to having a small party and a small country resolutely oppose his stands and actions. Such was the chauvinist logic of overlords of these anti-Marxists, who, just like the imperialist bourgeoisie, considered the small peoples and countries vassals, and their rights commodities to be traded. When we told him openly of his mistakes and those of his men he jumped up:

    «You are spitting on me,» he screamed. «It is impossible to talk to you. Only Macmillan has tried to speak to me like this.»

    «Comrade Enver is not Macmillan, so take back your words,» both Mehmet and Hysni snapped back at him.

    «Where shall I put them?

    «Stick them in your pocket,» Mehmet said.


    The four of us got up and left without shaking hands with them, without falling into their traps, concocted with threats and hypocritical promises.

    Source: Enver Hoxha - THE KHRUSHCHEVITES

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    Everyone got assimilated, partially or fully... while Albanians remained intact.

    Slavs, Turks and Germanic people conquered entire Mediterranean, only Albanians remained genetically intact and maybe few Greeks, but even Greeks were touched by Franks and Slavs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    Few people, however, knew that this little mountainous country had given rise to Roman legions, Roman emperors, Byzantine mercenaries and generals, grand viziers and Egyptian khedives, ....
    ...and possibly a Loki too, with E-V13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Everyone got assimilated, partially or fully... while Albanians remained intact.

    Slavs, Turks and Germanic people conquered entire Mediterranean, only Albanians remained genetically intact and maybe few Greeks, but even Greeks were touched by Franks and Slavs.
    There are quite a few Slavs, Vlachs, Greeks and Gypsies who have been assimilated into Albanians over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokol View Post
    There are quite a few Slavs, Vlachs, Greeks and Gypsies who have been assimilated into Albanians over time.
    Sounds funny said by a Firomski.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokol View Post
    There are quite a few Slavs, Vlachs, Greeks and Gypsies who have been assimilated into Albanians over time.
    We only assmilated some gypsies at the late 40s. Vlachs still have their vlachic identity and Grekophones too.
    Greeks have assmilated hundreds of thousands of Albanians tho.

    As for the slavs yes we did assimilate some of them through the centuries , but the fact that we did makes us superior to the other Balkanites that go assimilated by them.
    We don't get assimilated by the invaders , we assimilate them.

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    That's the most interesting part:



    Nobody dominated Albanian highlands as long as the Turkoman dynasty did it.
    Btw Turkish partial control started in 1390's but Albania was a battleground between Turks and Italians until 1479 when the Venetian possessions and allies (like Scanderbeg and his friends) were all crushed.

    If you add the years of the First Bulgar Empire to Ottoman Empire, I think the Turkic state domination in Albania exceeds Rome + Byzantium years. Despite these latters are geographically closer and Turks came from far far far away.

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