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    Turks were our bitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ujku View Post
    Turks were our bitches.
    You were their 'bitches'. Most of the foreign soldiers in the Ottoman army were Albanians.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavrentis View Post
    You were their 'mercenaries'. Most of the foreign soldiers in the Ottoman army were Albanians.


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    Because we had the biggest balls. When Greeks heared the word Albanian they would run in the mountains to hide.
    70% of the janissaries were Albanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Çorpan Tarkan View Post
    That's the most interesting part:



    Nobody dominated Albanian highlands as long as the Turkoman dynasty did it.
    Btw Turkish partial control started in 1390's but Albania was a battleground between Turks and Italians until 1479 when the Venetian possessions and allies (like Scanderbeg and his friends) were all crushed.

    If you add the years of the First Bulgar Empire to Ottoman Empire, I think the Turkic state domination in Albania exceeds Rome + Byzantium years. Despite these latters are geographically closer and Turks came from far far far away.
    That video had many mistakes.

    It says that Ottomans started to have control over Albanians by 1390, when the first Ottoman armies that started to take over Albanians cities were in 1420, but the Ottomans retreated soon.

    Albania ( which back than stretched from North Montenegro to Corinth channel ) was never a battle ground between ' italians' ( who didn't exist as ethnicity back than) and Ottomans ( not turks). Venetians were several times defeated by Albanians and they holded some cities in seaside because they paid tribute . Skanderbeg defeated then easily in 3 battles and before the Balshaj humilated them for decades. Stop spreading your fantasy.
    Ottomans tried to create a domination of theirs in 1431, but failed when Gjergj Arianiti, defeated them in 5 battles between 1431-1436 in row and secured the independence of Albanian princes and paved the road for the comming of Skanderbeg.

    From 1443-1468 Albanians humiliated Ottomans in 26 battles.

    Ottomans start to take over some Albanian lands when Arta felt in their hands in 1450 and when they take control of central Kosoov by 1459 and Elbasan by 1466.

    However most Albanian lands were free until the campaign of 1478 and 1480 when Albanians capitulate after 120 years of straggle with Ottomans, 50 years of frontal war and 35 victories .

    Albanians retake their lands in 1481 after the death of Mehmet II and were finally defeated in 1488.


    There is an independence period of independent Albanian Pashas between 1750-1832 that ruled from Bosnia to Peloponnese. They defeated the sultan and said him to duck off.

    Ottoman direct presence lows down to 340 years to Albanian lands

    It culminates when Albanians take over Egypt in 1805 . By 1820 Albanian Pashas owned 5 million square km in north africa, middle east and balkans.


    Lets not forget the very important part that Muslim Albanians considered the Ottoman Empire as their state, that is there were 42 Albanian Prime ministers.

    Muslim Albanians showed several times they could crush the ototman central administration and the ottoman empire with it.

    Halil Patrona, the albanian commander overthrew Sultan from power in 1730.

    Albanian Independent Pashas could easilu unite with each other in balkans and create a de juro Albanian empire there, but they failed to reach an agreement with each other.

    Albanian Mercenaries again defeated the Ottoman armies when Ottomans tried to replace the Albanian governors with non Albanians in albanian pashallekes, respectively in 1834 and 1836.

    Muhamed Ali the Albanian 2 times took over the Ottoman empire and 2 times was stopped from western powers.


    Another idiotic point of yours is the turkic people.
    The first Bulgar Empire was indeed a turkic empire, but you have nothing to do with them.

    Turkic nations were different nations and not one nation. And the Oghuz were a total different thing from the Bulgars.

    Especially the Otomans who were heavily mixed with different people and were speaking arabic and persian.


    Roman empire had 32 ilyrian emperors and eastern roman empire was totally founded by illyrians and was ruled by illyrians until 585 Ad when some armenians and anatolians start to come in the head.

    Justinian the great , the greatest emperor of eastern roman empire , an illyrian himself, built 140 fortresses in the Illyricum region, fortresses that protected Albanians from the barbarians of the east . We wouldnt exist without them.

    Albania was even considered the Byzantium last fortress btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokol View Post
    There are quite a few Slavs, Vlachs, Greeks and Gypsies who have been assimilated into Albanians over time.
    We have somewhat mixed with the first three but not with the Romani
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ujku View Post
    We only assmilated some gypsies at the late 40s. Vlachs still have their vlachic identity and Grekophones too.
    Greeks have assmilated hundreds of thousands of Albanians tho.

    As for the slavs yes we did assimilate some of them through the centuries , but the fact that we did makes us superior to the other Balkanites that go assimilated by them.
    We don't get assimilated by the invaders , we assimilate them.
    The only "assimilation" we did to the Romani was give them slightly more opportunities although we have not mixed with them nor did we give them an Albanian identity, from what I have seen the Gypsies from the Balkans are one of the purest whilst gypsies in countries like England are really mixed to the point that they are really light skinned and have light hair and eyes
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    We have somewhat mixed with the first three but not with the Romani
    Your people have more East Med than Greeks and Italians, I would have expected more from Greeks.
    Also, Albanians don't have high % of NE Europe or other parts of Europe like we have.

    So yes, Albanians haven't mixed a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    The only "assimilation" we did to the Romani was give them slightly more opportunities although we have not mixed with them nor did we give them an Albanian identity, from what I have seen the Gypsies from the Balkans are one of the purest whilst gypsies in countries like England are really mixed to the point that they are really light skinned and have light hair and eyes
    No we don't mix them , but there is a difference between assimilation and mixing.

    They have Albanian identity now and that's what i mean by saying assimilated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Your people have more East Med than Greeks and Italians, I would have expected more from Greeks.
    Also, Albanians don't have high % of NE Europe or other parts of Europe like we have.

    So yes, Albanians haven't mixed a lot.
    More east med than Greeks?? Ancient east med?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ujku View Post
    No we don't mix them , but there is a difference between assimilation and mixing.

    They have Albanian identity now and that's what i mean by saying assimilated.
    Majority don't have an Albanian identity from what I have seen, they act nothing like us when I go to Albania they seem like a completely foreign group in behavior, appearance and mentality. The Jevgs are the ones who call themselves "Albanian" afaik but the Gabels are the ones who acknowledge that they are Roma, still both of them are the same the Jevgs are just more wannabe Albanian
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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