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    What are the sub-racial classifications for the Megalithic Culture? I've seen Atlanto-Meds linked to it and Nord-Atlantids so is it associated with any particular classification?

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    Atlantomed + Cromagnid for Megaliths

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    Ancient Megalithic mtDNA from France: U5b, X2 and N1a
    http://secher.bernard.free.fr/Articl...thic_mtdna.pdf

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    Racially there are, similar to some other cultural elements, distinctions to make, because obviously there was a "core element" (like Dinaroid and Dinaro-Alpinoid in Bell Beakers) and "assimilated elements".

    The core element was obviously Mediterranid, if only with slight Cromagnid tendencies, but mostly Mediterranid, rather robust-tall, so Atlantomediterranid.

    During the expansion in the North they assimilated locals it seems and those were more Cromagnid in comparison.

    Probably the Atlantomediterranid element fusioned partly with other Aurignacoid elements to form the modern Nordoid population elements in the North and Atlantid-Atlantomediterranid in the West of Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    Probably the Atlantomediterranid element fusioned partly with other Aurignacoid elements to form the modern Nordoid population elements in the North and Atlantid-Atlantomediterranid in the West of Europe.
    The core racial element of Megalith Builders in Western Europe was Atlanto-Mediterrannean. It is still unclear if they are mere local developments out of CroMagnid or racial imports from Anatolia during late Neolithic. Genetic as well as cultural evidence makes the latter argument more credible, but the issue is still not settled.

    As for Agrippa's assessment that Nordoids originate from NW Europe, it fails to explain:
    - why they only occur among Aryan-derived peoples (and some Uralics with demonstrable Aryan infusions)
    - why they were found in Eurasian steppes in much purer and more varied forms before Turanian invasions
    - why they were non-existent in NW Europe before people of obvious Aryan ethnocultural origin came with Corded Ware Culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aherne View Post
    As for Agrippa's assessment that Nordoids originate from NW Europe, it fails to explain:
    I said Nordoid populations and population elements were formed in the West, in detail I said:
    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    the Atlantomediterranid element fusioned partly with other Aurignacoid elements to form the modern Nordoid population
    With that I meant Aurignacoids from the South and East primarily, reaching the North and North West through Central Europe.

    - why they only occur among Aryan-derived peoples (and some Uralics with demonstrable Aryan infusions)
    Since Indo-Europeans spread so far, how can you know? The Swedish Wohnplatzkultur hat Nordoids before new waves of Nordoids came from Central Europe.

    - why they were found in Eurasian steppes in much purer and more varied forms before Turanian invasions
    More pure than in Sweden and among Corded Ware people? Rather not. "More varied"? What do you mean?

    - why they were non-existent in NW Europe before people of obvious Aryan ethnocultural origin came with Corded Ware Culture.
    The archaeological record is far from being complete, but then again, the British Islands are not everything I meant and as I said, I consider modern Nordoid population elements being partly the result of a fusion of various different groups, among these surely the Corded Ware elements as one of THE major groups.

    Yet I think it is plausible to assume that other leptodolichomorphic and Cromagnoid elements living or coming from the South and West fused with them.

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    Where does Nord Atlantid come from? Is that associated with the Megaliths and where does the Mediterranean element in it come from - the west Med (Iberia) or East Med (Levant)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    Where does Nord Atlantid come from? Is that associated with the Megaliths and where does the Mediterranean element in it come from - the west Med (Iberia) or East Med (Levant)?
    Seems to be related to the Megalithic groups and coming via Western European - which doesn't mean, that they had no Eastern relations still.


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