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    This map could be interesting, subclades of R1b.


    It generally proves the point that R1b in south Balkans is mostly old and has almost nothing to do with celts.
    Anyway, U152, S116 and M259(L21) clades are interesting and they may have been coorelated with Celtic tribes(more or less)
    R1a-Z282>Z280>CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>Y2902>Y3226>YP5224>BY27800
    N1c-L1026>CTS10760>VL29>Z4908>L550>L1025>M2783>Y5580>L591>BY158>Y5576
    R1a-Z282>Z280>CTS1211>YP1019>YP1020>YP1033*
    R1b-U152>L2>DF103>S14469
    It's still not an end.
    R1a and R1b unite - Join!

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    Please don't sleep on the Celts of Transylvania

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts_in_Transylvania

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    Yup, Celtic Balkans! You heard that right. It happened folks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacul View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3AX_JSnico
    Look at this montenegrin folk costumes,they look norman/celtic,these are not usual in Balkans.
    Look also at this moment of the dance:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3AX_JSnico#t=1m43s
    This is celtic or norman,anyway,northern,is not characteristic to Balkans at all.
    But this is even more awsome,an old traditional song from Montenegro:

    Sa Rumije Vila zove, \ From Rumija the Vila is calling,
    Sa Rumije Vila zove, \ From Rumija the Vila is calling,
    gorskog zmaja u Komove, \ The mountain dragon from Komovi,
    gorskog zmaja u Komove. \ The mountain dragon from Komovi.

    Zmajeviti,zmajeviti, \ Dragonborn, dragonborn,
    dođi kmeni zmajeviti, \ come to me, oh dragonborn,
    ljepše biti,ljepše biti, \ it will be better, it will be better,
    ođe će ti ljepše biti. \ here for you, it will be better.

    Primorsko me sunce grije, \ The coastal sun is warming me,
    Primorsko me sunce grije, \ The coastal sun is warming me,
    a more mi lice mije, \ and the sea is caressing my cheek,
    a more mi lice mije. \ and the sea is caressing my cheek.

    U Komove,u Komove, \ In Komovi, in Komovi,
    a ti zmaje u Komove, \ and you dragon, are in Komovi,
    u vjetrove,u vjetrove, \ in the winds, in the winds,
    u snjegove i smetove. ' in the ice and the snowdrifts.

    Zmaj joj na to odgovori, \ The dragon answers her calls,
    Zmaj joj na to odgovori, \ The dragon answers her calls,
    Komovi su moji dvori, \ The Komovi mountains are my courts,
    Komovi su moji dvori. ' The Komovi mountains are my courts.

    Hladne zime,hladne zime, \ Cold winters, cold winters,
    topla ljeta,hladne zime, \ warm summers, cold winters,
    čeliči me,čeliči me, \ are hardening me, are hardening me,
    oko milo čeliči me. ' my darling, they are hardening me.

    Kad bih s Koma odletio, \ When I would fly away from the Komovi mountains,
    Kad bih s Koma odletio, \ When I would fly away from the Komovi mountains,
    ja Zmaj gorski ne bih bio, \ I wouldn't be the Dragon of the mountain,
    ja Zmaj gorski ne bih bio. \ I wouldn't be the Dragon of the mountain,

    Vila zove,Vila zove, \ The Vila is calling, the Villa is calling,
    sa Rumije Vila zove, \ From Rumija the Vila is calling,
    odletio,odletio, \ If I flew, if I flew,
    ja Zmaj gorski ne bih bio. \ I wouldn't be the Dragon of the mountain.

    "Typical" to Balkans!Lol.
    And dragons have link with celts,which considers them some kind of positive thing.
    http://www.kilts-n-stuff.com/celtic-...c-dragons.html
    Look what is told there:
    But to the ancient Celt, the ley of the land meant how the magic or cosmic forces flowed through and affected the area, or how the area affected those forces. The Celts believed that dragons were creatures of the parallel world and their power and presence would affect the ley of the land. "The places associated with the dragon legend, the nerve centers of seasonal fertility, appear always to coincide with sites of ancient sanctity", Michell adds.
    How is usually seen dragon in Balkans,as some evil presence (which logical is not seen like this,in the song cited above from Montenegro,since you do not call a negative presence at you):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zduha%C4%87
    "n eastern, central, and southern Serbia, the defenders against bad weather were called the zmajevit men.[2][3] The adjective zmajevit is derived from the noun zmaj ("dragon"), and means "having a dragon's properties". In those areas, the dragon was imagined as a flying fiery power, a spiritual being benevolent towards the humans. Each dragon had his own territory, within which he dwelt by a forest spring or stream, or in the hollow trunk of a beech tree.[17] There are many toponyms with the root zmaj, for example Zmajevac, which is usually the name of a spring or a source.[14] The dragon took care that his territory received the right amount of rain at the right time, for good growth of the crops. His arch-enemy was the ala, a female demon whose main activity was to lead storm and hail clouds over fields to destroy crops. Whenever he noticed an ala approaching, the dragon would fly up into the clouds to fight against the demon, and kill or chase her away.[17]
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    Daco Celtic, this is the song which I linked wrong in the past:

    Dacians had as flag a dog with a body of a dragon, because some Kelts influence .
    The tradition of someone dragonborn is only seen at some South Slavs, might be also in Romania.
    A Dragonborn person is doing what is told above.
    So happy that I found this song, need to post it also on Eupedia .

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    Celtae in the Balkans. It's a fact Jack.

    Global25 Roman V5

    CELTAE,56.2
    GERMANI,13.8
    THRACII/ILLYRII,11.2
    SLAVOS,8.6
    ARMENII,2.6
    ALANI,2.4
    ITALI,2.2
    FENNI,1.4
    HYPERBOREIS,1
    SCYTHI,0.6

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    Just for fun an obvious linguistic connection between the Celtic languages and the Romanian language:
    In Romanian, when you call a dog, you are telling "cutzu , cutzu" .
    In Celtic languages, cu was used to name a dog, or even a wolf:
    http://www.davidjonfuller.com/2012/1...ic-werewolves/
    "One of the basic Old Irish words for canids is , which can mean “dog” or “wolf” equally; ".

    Daco-Celtic should be happy now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacul View Post
    Just for fun an obvious linguistic connection between the Celtic languages and the Romanian language:
    In Romanian, when you call a dog, you are telling "cutzu , cutzu" .
    In Celtic languages, cu was used to name a dog, or even a wolf:
    http://www.davidjonfuller.com/2012/1...ic-werewolves/
    "One of the basic Old Irish words for canids is , which can mean “dog” or “wolf” equally; ".

    Daco-Celtic should be happy now.
    It shows the Celtic language had a lot of influence and was spread throughout Europe

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    Another thing:
    It seems that some Celtic Tribes that migrated from Central Europe and Southern France came over the territory of Dacia.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts_in_Transylvania
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tic_&_Germanic

    The tradition for Transylvania people was to wear only a moustache not a full beard.
    It seems it was the same tradition in Muntenia.
    The custom of Dacians was to wear a full beard.

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