Why Italy and France are each other's closest sister nation..

[Samnium]

To be honest i'd outline how northeastern italian average scored slightly more northern even than me ( thanks some considerable baltid strains passed through the Alps from east).

On G25 reference populations i don't know what they exactly mean by "northeastern italians" but i suspect it's FRIULI (the most northeastern perypheric region of italian areal, bordering Slovenia).

I admit they're the lightest (phenotypically) and least neolithic/mediterranean amongst native inhabitants inside political italian border you could ever find.

There is a direct and visible "mittel-european" influence from the slovenian/croat continuum. Friulians are just 1,5 million, btw.

You probably score more "WHG" or West Med though, that's why you are more West shifted overall.

I think that Aostans are light too. Remind (but I guess that you know that) that these are averages made up with some bunch of samples, so yes generally speaking I wouldn't be surprised if I saw Italians bridging the gap between Croats and other N.Italians, like some kind of intermediate. That's one of the thing that surprised me at first when I looked deeper into italian genetics, to see that huge gap between NE Italians and Slovenes etc.

[Iskander]

You probably score more "WHG" or West Med though, that's why you are more West shifted overall.

If west med mens "sardinian" then no (the overlap with them using the sardinian sample as reference pop.) was quite low. To give a more precise idea of my genetypical make-up :

[my data run with several variations in reference populations (average results) ]


French basque : 40-45%

Dutch : 25-30%

Sardinian : 10-15%

Cypriot : 10%


(roughly, as you see)

I think that Aostans are light too. Remind (but I guess that you know that) that these are averages made up with some bunch of samples, so yes generally speakin I wouldn't be surprised if I saw Italians bridging the gap between Croats and other N.Italians, like some kind of intermediate.

I know very well. I'd say that aostans and friulians are on the mark of 20-25% (blondism in all its shades)

[Samnium]

If west med mens "sardinian" then no (the overlap with them using the sardinian sample as reference pop.) was quite low. To give a more precise idea of my genetypical make-up :

[my data run with several variations in reference populations (average results) ]


French basque : 40-45%

Dutch : 25-30%

Sardinian : 10-15%

Levant : 10%


(roughly, as you see)


I know very well. I'd say that aostans and friulians are on the mark of 20-25% (blondism in all its shades)

Hum I wasn't too far I said WHG + some Sardinian stuff and indeed it's 60% of your "ancestry" !

Yes it's a good number.

[Iskander]

Hum I wasn't too far I said WHG + some Sardinian stuff and indeed it's 60% of your "ancestry" !

Yes it's a good number.

Well, personally i would call sardinian "west med" and french basque as "paleo atlantid" namely a more neutral category between northern europe and mediterranean (terminolgy is subjective at this point of course, but i would draw a deeper border between basque and sardinian - both very pure ethnic groups - : there is a substantial difference according to most comparison between them, so i'm not so sure if group them togheter, besides i'm not even close to sardinians by phenotype : they're very distinguishable even amongst italians by dark complexion and short height….i'm quite the opposite)

[Samnium]

Well, personally i would call sardinian "west med" and french basque as "paleo atlantid" namely a more neutral category between northern europe and mediterranean (terminolgy is subjective at this point of course, but i would draw a deeper border between basque and sardinian - both very pure ethnic groups - : there is a substantial difference according to most comparison between them, so i'm not so sure if group them togheter, besides i'm not even close to sardinians by phenotype : they're very distinguishable even amongst italians by dark complexion and short height….i'm quite the opposite)

Yes of course they are very different ! Basques have more Yamnaya and a lot more WHG than Sardinians, they are by far closer to NW euros also.

However modern Sardinians are quite high actually. It's probably because of diet.

[Iskander]

Yes of course they are very different ! Basques have more Yamnaya and a lot more WHG than Sardinians, they are by far closer to NW euros also.

In comparison with me inhabitants of Auvergne have more northeuropean influence ("dutch") : while i can't pass the 30% mark, their average is 40-45% (Swiss french too ?! I don't know).

[MinervaItalica]

They're not italians anyway genetically

Admitting it is true, genetics doesn't make up ethnicities anyway.