Romans and Greeks weren't the same thing

[Lavrentis]

I forgot to add that the Romans influenced the Greeks too. From the laws of the Byzantine Empire, to Byzantine architecture etc. Of course, the Byzantine Empire wasn't necesarrily a Greek empire, but if there's one country that can be considered a succesor of it, that's Greece, in my opinion.

[Lavrentis]

You can look for these names:

J.G. Droysen, Julius Evola, J.J.Bachofen and many others. It's a debatable topic, of course, that's the reason I'm wanting to discuss it here. It's the old question of hellenization vs asiatization in the Greek kingdoms.

You can see some parts of this debate between Droysen and Grote here:

https://books.google.com/books?id=ro...page&q&f=false

I can't finish it right now, but it seems that the debate is concentrated on Alexander's management of Persia, and not bringing Persian or whatever culture to Greece. But I will check the people you listed

[Teucer]

Greeks definitely did not see themselves as Romans

Not strictly true. Once the empire divided into the East and West, the Eastern Empire was largely under Greek rule in cultural Greek lands. Even up until the fall of Constantinople, Greeks would refer to themselves as Romans.

[JMack]

I can't finish it right now, but it seems that the debate is concentrated on Alexander's management of Persia, and not bringing Persian or whatever culture to Greece. But I will check the people you listed

Actually the bulk of my point is to show how things considered by modernistic liberal historiography as positive things (e.g. Athenian democracy) were degenerative aspects corrupting early Hellenes and Latins.

The so called Greco-Roman culture is a hoax constructed by modern scholars.

[brennus dux gallorum]

I agree that they were not the same, but with all this clueless delirium about "asiatized" and "feminine" late ancient Greeks, you should at least no wonder if you get insulted by Greeks in this forum

[JMack]

I agree that they were not the same, but with all this clueless delirium about "asiatized" and "feminine" late ancient Greeks, you should at least no wonder if you get insulted by Greeks in this forum

If it helps, I also think Romans ended being asiatized and femininized after the Empire started. It's the fate of all cultures. Opulence creates degeneracy.

[Journeyman26]

Greco-Roman refers to the Religious, mythological, architectural, fashionable and philosophical similarities between Greece and Rome. From the shared pantheon that BOTH reside on Mount Olympus, to the nearly identical mythology and stories.Since the foundation of Magna Graecia in Southern Italy in the 8th century BC, Greeks were a near constant presence in the ports and towns of Italy. Roman aristocrats would attend school in Greece, even up to Imperial Rome, Augustus - Nero all attended school in Greece. Cicero himself, a Greek school alumnus, translated countless Greek works into latin to share them with the Roman people. Nobody is saying they were the same peoples, but they do indeed share a lot.

Even Virgil would attempt to draw a link between the Ancient Greek world and Rome in this famous line:
“Expelled and exiled, left the Trojan shore… before he won the Latin realm, and built the destined town (Rome); his banished Gods restored to rites divine and settled sure succession in his line. From whence the race of Alban fathers come, and the long glories of majestic Rome.” - Virgil, 29 BC.

[Hudayar]

I think we shouldn't even call Greeks "Rum" anymore they're basically wannabe Roman.

[brennus dux gallorum]

If it helps, I also think Romans ended being asiatized and femininized after the Empire started. It's the fate of all cultures. Opulence generates degeneracy.

It doesn't help, as neither Romans nor Greeks ended up asiatized or feminine. The fact that they cared about a few more things than "war" and "honor", such as science, philosophy or culture and entertainment (which is what you call femininity) shows that they were mentally healthy, and had a reason to exist, unlike the "austere" Germans that are shown as full of complexes and anxiety in every single study

Without these aspects Greeks would not be more important than gauls or pannonians

[wvwvw]

So much BULLSHIT and inaccuracies in just one thread, I am amazed.