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    Default Balkan Turk GEDmatch results

    His father is from Greece Kozani and his mother is from Macedonia

    MDLP K23b:
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    Those are not Turks, but Turkish speaking populace of Turkey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Those are not Turks, but Turkish speaking populace of Turkey
    1 50% Bulgarian +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% Tatar @ 4.079902
    1 50% Serb_Serbia_ +50% Turk_Balikesir_ @ 2.848598
    1 50% French_Basque_HGDP +25% Georgians_Behar +25% Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 0.916024


    say otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudayar View Post
    1 50% Bulgarian +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% Tatar @ 4.079902
    1 50% Serb_Serbia_ +50% Turk_Balikesir_ @ 2.848598
    1 50% French_Basque_HGDP +25% Georgians_Behar +25% Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 0.916024


    say otherwise.
    yea they mixed with Turks but anyway.. 50/50

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    yea they mixed with Turks but anyway.. 50/50
    who you mean by "they"?

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    Similar to my Greek mothers


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 40.73
    2 European_Early_Farmers 20.96
    3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 20.61
    4 Near_East 8.85
    5 South_Central_Asian 2.92
    6 North_African 2.74
    7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.07


    Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
    23 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 3.338188
    2 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 3.339412
    3 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 3.888839
    4 Central_Greek_ @ 4.119270
    5 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 4.407797
    6 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 4.733831
    7 Greek_ @ 4.989991
    8 Greek_Athens_ @ 6.670466
    9 Greek_Northwest_ @ 6.738966
    10 Kosovar_ @ 7.484199
    11 Ashkenazi_ @ 7.889003
    12 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 7.941776
    13 Gagauz_ @ 8.715474
    14 Italian_South_ @ 9.115573
    15 Romanian_Jew_ @ 9.231603
    16 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 9.812999
    17 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 10.268639
    18 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 10.929880
    19 Sicilian_Center_ @ 11.161880
    20 Romanian_ @ 11.529955

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Greek_Macedonia_ +50% Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.818175


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Greek_Macedonia_ +25% Greek_Thessaly_ +25% Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.818175

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    Quote Originally Posted by Journeyman26 View Post
    Similar to my Greek mothers


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 40.73
    2 European_Early_Farmers 20.96
    3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 20.61
    4 Near_East 8.85
    5 South_Central_Asian 2.92
    6 North_African 2.74
    7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.07


    Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
    23 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 3.338188
    2 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 3.339412
    3 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 3.888839
    4 Central_Greek_ @ 4.119270
    5 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 4.407797
    6 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 4.733831
    7 Greek_ @ 4.989991
    8 Greek_Athens_ @ 6.670466
    9 Greek_Northwest_ @ 6.738966
    10 Kosovar_ @ 7.484199
    11 Ashkenazi_ @ 7.889003
    12 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 7.941776
    13 Gagauz_ @ 8.715474
    14 Italian_South_ @ 9.115573
    15 Romanian_Jew_ @ 9.231603
    16 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 9.812999
    17 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 10.268639
    18 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 10.929880
    19 Sicilian_Center_ @ 11.161880
    20 Romanian_ @ 11.529955

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Greek_Macedonia_ +50% Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.818175


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Greek_Macedonia_ +25% Greek_Thessaly_ +25% Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.818175
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Those are not Turks, but Turkish speaking populace of Turkey
    These GEDmatch results are mine.

    I am not a non-Turk from Turkey that speaks Turkish. I am a Turk. I've noticed that people can't or don't like to think out of the box, but my GEDmatch perfectly represent what I am; a Balkan Turk.

    Saying I am just a Turkish-speaking non-Turk is like saying Greeks are Greek-speaking non-Greeks. The Greek language came from the Proto-Indo-European homeland in Ukraine/Russia. By means of migrations the Indo-Europeans spread to many regions in the world and assimilated the pre-Indo-European peoples of the regions they settled in. Some regions were settled by many Indo-European tribes, like Kyrgyzstan and Kashmir, but others not so much. Genetic studies show that Greeks barely have ancestry from Indo-Europeans, especially Cretans who often show no trace of Indo-European ancestry at all. What happened is, after 3000 BC the Greek Indo-European tribes who were heavily outnumbered by pre-Greeks imposed their identity and language on the pre-Greeks, who had their own identity and language but lost those due to the assimilation. The modern Greeks are primarily descended from pre-Greeks.

    The exact same process happened to Turks. There are two differences : 1. Turks have more Central Asian ancestry than Greeks have Indo-European ancestry 2. Anatolian Turks assimilated and mixed with non-Turks after 1071 while Greeks assimilated and mixed with non-Greeks around 3000-1500 BC.

    So if you say Turks are fake Turks, Greeks must be fake Greeks too...

    But this makes no sense. Modern ethnicities were created by the synthesis of different peoples like Hunter Gatherers, Neolithic Farmers, Indo-Europeans etc.

    Even Bosniaks are a mixture of many elements. You are Celtic, Illyrian, Slavic etc. but that you are one thing, a Bosniak Slav, does not change because your ethnicity is made by a synthesis of different populations.

    Bottom line : I am not a Turkish-speaking non-Turk. I am a Turkish speaking Turk and that will never change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Those are not Turks, but Turkish speaking populace of Turkey
    I forgot to state that Turks are not just more Central Asian than Greeks are Indo-European, they are WAY more Central Asian than Greeks are Indo-European. GEDmatch shows I, a Balkan Turk, could be 25% Tatar and some other Central Asian ethnicities. Anatolian Turks are often even 50% Central Asian according to GEDmatch.

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