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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    Peloponnesians are genetically clustered with Sicilians -- lol at Slavs being like South Italians. Or perhaps unable to decipher genetic papers appropriately.
    I don't cluster close to Sicilians

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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    to begin with, it says venetian citizens from ionian islands (most of venetian citizens in the ionian islands were Greek), and "some Bulgars", along with catholic chians. So I guess the "some Bulgars" along with medieval slavs are responsible for this 1-15% slavic admixture that the study found among peloponnesians (lower than slavic admxiture in the area you live), and probably a part of ionian islanders and chian immigrants with non-Greek ancestry brought some north italian admixture, probably equal to slavic.

    the fact that 70%-95% of Peloponnesian ancestry remains Greek, as the study proves, is the only that makes sense



    Since the page is talking about immigrations after the venetian dominance, there was a native population before 1691 (97,000) later partially increased by immigrations to 176,000. Try to be more intelligent.
    It's very simple. Can you prove that the native population returned? No. Because there was not a return of the natives. Who were the other people settled by the Venetians, is a separate discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    It's very simple. Can you prove that the native population returned? No. Because there was not a return of the natives. Who were the other people settled by the Venetians, is a separate discussion.
    no population returned, the natives we are talking about is the popuation that remained, whose descendants were these 97,000 before venetian dominance

    it's obviously very simple, and that's what sources support, and what studies confirm

    And remember, the study rejects the "slavic and anatolian ancestry" of peloponnesians, ancestry of non-peloponnesian Greek populations is not disputed, even though it's smaller than native

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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    no population returned, the natives we are talking about is the popuation that remained, whose descendants were these 97,000 before venetian dominance

    it's obviously very simple, and that's what sources support, and what studies confirm
    I didn't said that the entire population migrated. I said that in one occasion, 60% of the population was replaced by other people arrived from other regions. But this is not the only replacement of the population of Peninsula in 1.400 years of history. There are other migration. For this reason people who live today in the region has nothing to do with the people who lived 1.400 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    I didn't said that the entire population migrated. I said that in one occasion, 60% of the population was replaced by other people arrived from other regions. But this is not the only replacement of the population of Peninsula in 1.400 years of history. There are other migration. For this reason people who live today in the region has nothing to do with the people who lived 1.400 years ago.
    no source is talking about 60% population replacement, that's what you understood.

    Prewar population was 200.000, post-war population was 97,000 in 1691, when venetians finally dominated the region, and 1700's population was 176,000. that means 40% of the population were descendants of replaced people. The majority were still descendants of prewar

    And yes, this is the only important population replacemenet recorded for the particular region, often with peloponnesian originated people themselves living in other regions

    And common logic says that population increase is can be caused by high birth rates too, not only by immigrations

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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    no source is talking about 60% population replacement, that's what you understood.

    Prewar population was 200.000, post-war population was 97,000 in 1691, when venetians finally dominated the region, and 1700's population was 176,000. that means 40% of the population were descendants of replaced people. The majority were still descendants of prewar

    And yes, this is the only important population replacemenet recorded for the particular region, often with peloponnesian originated people themselves living in other regions
    Of course there are others, but it was necessary more than one hour for you to understand this evident replacement of more than 60% of the population of of Peninsula.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    Of course there are others, but it was necessary more than one hour for you to understand this evident replacement of more than 60% of the population of of Peninsula.
    more than an hour and you still can't understand that according to simple maths, there was no 60% population replacement
    1700's population=176000- native post-war population that remained(97000)=79000, 79000 people colonized the region, making up 40% of prewar population, not 60%

    Do you suffer from dyscalculia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    more than an hour and you still can't understand that according to simple maths, there was no 60% population replacement
    1700's population=176000- native post-war population that remained(97000)=79000, 79000 people colonized the region, making up 40% of prewar population, not 60%

    Do you suffer from dyscalculia?
    I think is you who suffer from dyscalculia:
    Apart from the region of Corinthia and the autonomous Mani Peninsula, the Venetians counted only 86,468 inhabitants in 1688, out of an estimated pre-war population of 200,000.[6][7]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    I think is you who suffer from dyscalculia:
    Even if we estimate the 86000 of 1688, which according to sources 3 years later increase to 97000 obviously due to corinthian inclusion (who were not included in 1688) and natural population increase by births, it's still like 50%, far from 60% or more that you claim (and as I said, considering these 87000 is pointless, as a whole region is not included, in fact they were many more than 97000 as mani is never included)

    dude we are talking about deep dyscalculian disorder of you

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    Talking about peloponnese and central Greece, the last "massive" foreign immigration was this of Ionian islanders and cretans after 1833

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