Dead Sea Scrolls reveal that the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) is inferior in accuracy to the Septuagint

[Loki]

Jesus was real and he was a Jew.

Never did the word Christos or Christian come from his lips. He did not speak Greek.

Of course not, it's a translation. We don't speak Aramaic anymore.

[Loki]

Allowed what to go extinct, exactly?

Your completely heretical ideas about Jesus, which are unsupported by any evidence, but are obviously rabbinical/pharisaical fairy tales. But don't you worry, you will find out the truth one day. You're not fooling me by believing in untruths -- it doesn't affect me what you believe in -- but sadly you are fooling yourself.

Enough said about this topic. No point in arguing with a Jew about Jesus. Christians have been doing it for 2,000 years.

[Arduti]

Of course not, it's a translation. We don't speak Aramaic anymore.

Jesus identified as a Jew, not as anything else.

[Arduti]

Your completely heretical ideas about Jesus, which are unsupported by any evidence, but are obviously rabbinical/pharisaical fairy tales. But don't you worry, you will find out the truth one day. You're not fooling me by believing in untruths -- it doesn't affect me what you believe in -- but sadly you are fooling yourself.

Enough said about this topic. No point in arguing with a Jew about Jesus. Christians have been doing it for 2,000 years.

There you go, again, diverging from the topic and talking about me instead.

Karaites don't heed to anything rabbinical, religionwise. And if you're learning about Karaites through Wikipedia, you should know that all of those sources calling us Pharisees and Sadducees are nay more than rabbinical slanders themselves. So it is you who cares not to understand others, even though you prefer to be so focused on others instead of the topic at hand.

[KMack]

It is coming to light that the Greek Septuagint was translated into Greek from an older, now extinct Hebrew version of the Old Testament books of the Bible. The differences are not huge, but the differences that are found, look to be deliberate changes done by the pharisees to mask Old Testament references to the Messiah, so that the Christians would be deceived.

Both the Catholic Bible (Vulgate) and the Protestant translations made use (at least partially) of the Hebrew Bible instead of the Greek Septuagint, because they thought the Hebrew version would have been more accurate. But, apparently not. The Tanakh has clearly been tampered with so that prophecies pointing to Jesus could be taken out.

Fascinating!

Aside from these few references, the Bible is pretty much accurate according to the very old Dead Sea Scrolls, and these ancient texts are in agreement. There are a few additions also that are not found in the oldest manuscripts, like for example the Book of Esther (if I remember correctly).

The scrolls were housed, since the discovery, a couple of miles from me at the Hebrew Union College. I think now the scrolls are displayed in various cities. There was a "monopoly" on the study of them until 1993.

[Hexachordia]

What Christians did was illegitimize the Tanakh by creating a new testament. They couldn't call it Tanakh + Christian Testament. They said, that Jewish way is the old way and this Roman and Greek way is the new way.

The Council of Nicea banned Jewish Unitarian Nazarene beliefs, i.e. outlawed Jewish believers and the Jewish belief in Jesus, outlawed all Scriptures about Jesus written by Jews, instead preferring the Greek scriptures with the Roman-Hellenized polytheistic Trinitarian point of view.

Many hungarian jews converted to catholicism, there is no such problem of banishing jews from the church since Renaissance at least. And Council of Nicaea is 1600 years ago, even then Constantinople was still christian. Nestorians of the East even said that Jesus is an earthly human, he died a God because of the worship. Nestorians worshipped Jesus in underground vaults, they probably used Jesus like a Buddha with blond hair and a handsome face.

[wvwvw]

The Old Testamement was nothing more than a chronology of Egyptian tyranny over Palestine from the point of view of the Egyptians, from which the populous had been struggling to free themselves for centuries. The bible turned the tyranny of the Pharaohs over Palestine into a religion of one god once the text had rendered the names of all the Great Kings as Theos or Kyrios Theos in Greek. This god since he was a combination of all the Pharaohs had the character of a schizophrenic tyrant, that unlike the Gods of the Greeks and Romans, demanded complete obedience and tribute in order to pacify him.

[Rethel]

Christianity had never a problem with that.
Always were in use MT and LXX and the supposedly differences are almost meaningless.
You can use whatever text you want, and the theology will be the same.

Btw, I would not advice you to trust Qumranian.
This was a sect, which at the best had 150 followers-weirdos, who
had very strage beliefs, and who were creating their own "scriptures".
Jesus never admitt the or whatever - he was only recognizing Jerusalemian Temple and
her scriptuial authorities (which qumranians actually didn;t respect at all - quite opposite).

[Hamlet]

The Old Testamement was nothing more than a chronology of Egyptian tyranny over Palestine from the point of view of the Egyptians, from which the populous had been struggling to free themselves for centuries. The bible turned the tyranny of the Pharaohs over Palestine into a religion of one god once the text had rendered the names of all the Great Kings as Theos or Kyrios Theos in Greek. This god since he was a combination of all the Pharaohs had the character of a schizophrenic tyrant, that unlike the Gods of the Greeks and Romans, demanded complete obedience and tribute in order to pacify him.

This is just utter drivel - the reason why Judaism is monotheistic, to my mind, is two-fold: firstly, Judaism (if you can call it that) was originally monolatristic, representing small, divided tribal kingdoms - they would worship one god but not deny others, and secondly, it became a useful tool to unite a divided people.

From Wikipedia: "The Iron Age kingdoms of Israel (or Samaria) and Judah first appear in the 9th century BCE. The two kingdoms shared Yahweh as their national god, for which reason their religion is commonly called Yahwism. Neighbouring kingdoms of the time each had their own national gods: Chemosh was the god of Moab, Milcom the god of the Ammonites, Qaus the god of the Edomites, and so on, and in each kingdom the king was his god's viceroy on Earth. The various national gods were more or less equal, reflecting the fact that kingdoms themselves were more or less equal, and within each kingdom a divine couple, made up of the national god and his consort – Yahweh and the goddess Asherah in Israel and Judah – headed a pantheon of lesser gods."

Basically, early Judaism (and I don't think it should be called Judaism at all) was very tribally based - this tribe has this deity to distinguish itself and provide national identity etc.

True monotheism (during what is called Second Temple Judaism) formed much later, after the intellectual Jewish elite returned from the Babylonian exile, and to my mind was a ploy to distinguish the Israelites from the other neighbouring kingdoms and unite them under one banner, so to speak - having a strict one God policy, as well as calling the people special, making them cut their foreskin and saying they shouldn't mix (as well as countless descriptions of 'scattering of nations', just to show they (those who created Judaism) were thinking down this line of uniting an oppressed, weak people), amongst other things is a pretty good way to do that. Also, Judaism is a very intellectual religion from its base (much, much more so than other religions of the time and even today), and to me is far far too intellectual to have been organically synthesised like earlier religions, which basically is just storytelling to answer questions that people would have had about the world (e.g. what causes lightning?) - this had to have been drawn up by an intellectual people, and there's nothing about the Iron Age kingdoms of modern Israel that would suggest that, but the intellectual elite that was shipped off to and generations came back from Babylon - that is a definite potential. Also consider that any Torah worth talking about is written in Aramaic, and not Paleo-Hebrew etc.

Also to mention, I believe a primitive version of (not even) Judaism existed before the Iron Age kingdoms in Egypt, but this would just be the same as with any of those Iron Age kingdoms (a god to identity you as being part of your group - note that this only applies to small groups) - in this case YHWH.

[Loki]

Christianity had never a problem with that.
Always were in use MT and LXX and the supposedly differences are almost meaningless.
You can use whatever text you want, and the theology will be the same.

Btw, I would not advice you to trust Qumranian.
This was a sect, which at the best had 150 followers-weirdos, who
had very strage beliefs, and who were creating their own "scriptures".
Jesus never admitt the or whatever - he was only recognizing Jerusalemian Temple and
her scriptuial authorities (which qumranians actually didn;t respect at all - quite opposite).

I'd advise you not to elaborate on things you know nothing about.