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    Beer, dancing and no need to wear a veil



    TWO women in their 60s, one boasting a shock of bleached hair, the other in a loose headscarf, are dancing alongside a teenage girl in a white tube top. Families crowd behind tables weighed down by narghile pipes, glasses of overpriced beer and plates of sliced carrots and cucumbers. When a popular song comes on, a little boy begs his mother to join him on the dance floor. The venue is an underground nightclub in Van, a dusty, unremarkable city in Turkey’s south-east. But everyone inside, from the DJ to the barmaids to the patrons themselves, is from Iran.

    Rocked by a series of terror attacks, a failed coup attempt and an ongoing crackdown by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government, Turkish tourism has been suffering. Foreign arrivals slumped from 36m in 2015 to just 25m last year. Westerners were especially likely to stay away. Though business has picked up this year, many hotels in Istanbul and along the Mediterranean have had to slash prices to stay afloat.

    In Van, about an hour’s drive from the Iranian border, things could not be more different. In the first nine months of 2017 the city welcomed a record 388,000 visitors from Iran, up from 264,000 during all of last year, an influx nearly the size of its own population. Local hoteliers cannot keep up with demand. On a weekday in September, your correspondent had to ring 14 different hotels and the city’s lone youth hostel before finding a bed for the night, and that only thanks to a late cancellation. So many Iranians poured into the city earlier this summer that the governor had some of them put up in student dormitories and others in private homes. When an Iranian musician banned from performing in his home country arrived for a concert, he was greeted by an audience of 5,000 compatriots. “At times you feel like a foreigner in your own city,” jokes an official at the local chamber of commerce. With the visitors leaving behind tens of millions of dollars, mostly in cash, no one seems to mind. The city recently started to offer Farsi language courses to local business owners.

    Even as Turkey struggles to lure back tourists from Europe and America, visitors from the Middle East are coming in droves. Over 2m Iranians are projected to travel to Turkey this year, a new record. More tourists than ever are arriving from countries like Kuwait, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia.

    The Iranians who flock to Van—one of the few parts of the south-east spared the clashes between Kurdish insurgents and Turkish troops that have ravaged the region since 2015—do so for a number of reasons. Some come for the sights, including the vast lake that borders the city, the 1,100-year-old Armenian church built atop one of its isles and the remarkable cats, known for their white fur and odd-coloured eyes, which inhabit the area. Others come for the shopping malls, stuffing their suitcases with trousers and polo shirts that cost a small fraction of what they do in Iran.

    Many, though, come simply (and often literally) to let their hair down. Late into the night, streams of unsteady patrons, including elderly couples and women in heavy make-up and miniskirts, stream in and out of basement nightclubs, many of which cater exclusively to Iranians. On warmer days, the revelry continues on boats dotting the lake. Drinking and public dancing are forbidden by the mullahs running Iran. The headscarf is mandatory for women above the age of seven. In Turkey, a predominantly Muslim but constitutionally secular country, no such restrictions exist. Van itself enjoys a reputation as a relatively freewheeling town in an otherwise conservative part of the country. Bahar, a housewife vacationing in Turkey for the first time, says she and her teenage daughter had been anxious about heading out for a night on the town without wearing the hijab. “It turns out it’s no problem,” she says. “We feel relaxed here.”

    Yet the tide of Islamism that flooded Iran four decades ago is now on the rise in Mr Erdogan’s Turkey. Soaring consumption taxes and restrictions on marketing are turning alcohol into a luxury. Schools that specialise in teaching Islam are mushrooming. References to Darwin and the theory of evolution have been removed from the curriculum. The secular Iranians on the streets of Van dismiss the idea, sometimes invoked by Mr Erdogan’s harsher critics, that Turkey is on the verge of becoming a theocracy. But they too say the omens are worrying. “The ruling mentality is similar,” says Majid, a teacher from Tabriz, across the border, relaxing at a local restaurant with his family. The more Turkey starts to resemble Iran, he says, the less it will appeal to Iranians.

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    It the meantime İran is also becoming more liberal. They built new hotels and tourism resorts. More and more Turks go to Iran too.
    I plan on visiting Persopolis and overall Shiraz and will also look for palaces built by the Turkic dynasties which ruled there.

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    Iranians also invest here, they open bars and nightclubs. Saw that.

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    Pfff every doctor you ask will say alcohol is very dangerous for people but this man (Erdogan) wants to protect his nation from cigarettes and alcohol from their countless harmful health effects and global companies that make you addicted to them. YET, there you are, complaining about everything, wanting to surrender to the global slavery system that Erdogan resists...

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    Isn't this the same reason Turks visit Greece?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    Isn't this the same reason Turks visit Greece?
    lmao since when?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggyolk View Post
    lmao since when?
    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...k-islands.html

    ...The number of Turks traveling abroad increased from 3.6 million in 2003 to 8 million in 2016. The number of those traveling to Greece, meanwhile, rose from 170,000 in 2003 to 898,000 in 2015 before falling a bit to 785,000 in 2016. It is a staggering 362% increase. This year’s figure is expected to exceed 1 million.

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    What is driving the Turkish love for Greek holidays, given that Turkey itself is a major tourist destination with modern resorts dotting its Mediterranean and Aegean coasts?The first reason is economics, as accommodations, dining and entertainment are often cheaper in Greece. This is particularly true for alcoholic beverages, which have seen the steepest price hikes in Turkey since the Justice and Development Party came to power 15 years ago. The government has levied huge taxes on alcohol, leading prices to increase by 400%-500%, including the national drink raki. As a result, booze has become a luxury for the ordinary Turk, and many have turned to domestic raki production with amateur means. Moreover, selling alcohol has been banned after 10 p.m. since 2013, with violators facing heavy fines.
    Another significant factor stems from social pressures that Turks with liberal lifestyles have come to experience under a government promoting conservative worldviews. Harassment and attacks against women wearing shorts or miniskirts have become a growing phenomenon in urban centers, while some alcohol-serving restaurants and bars have closed down after threats.
    Former Tourism Minister Bahattin Yucel believes the growing Turkish attraction to Greece should serve as a warning to both Turkey’s tourism industry and government. Despite its economic hardships, Greece will continue to lure Turkish tourists with its “Western-standard democratic rights and freedoms,” Yucel wrote, describing Greece as a country free of “alcohol bans and token moralism that interferes in how people dine and dress.”
    The Greek islands’ ability to preserve their traditional, natural fabric is another factor that lures visitors seeking to relax — unlike the high-rises springing up on Turkey’s shores at the expense of green spaces and historical heritage.
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