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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahli View Post
    There's two possible meanings to his name;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asparukh_(name)

    And somehow the Bulgarian dialect differs a bit from Serbo-Croatian, so I'm wondering what kind of linguistic influence it has from other non-Slavic languages.
    Definitely, you are right! Bulgarian shares so many grammatical features with Albanian, Romanian and Greek that the German linguists in the 19th century coined the term "Balkan linguistic union". See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_sprachbund
    The source of these features as well as the directions have long been debated, and various theories were suggested.
    Strangely some linguists have suggested Thracian as successive language of all related languages.
    Since most of these features cannot be found in languages related to those that belong to the language area (such as other Slavic or Romance languages), early researchers, including Kopitar, believed they must have been inherited from the Paleo-Balkan languages (e.g. Illyrian, Thracian and Dacian) which formed the substrate for modern Balkan languages. But since very little is known about Paleo-Balkan languages, it cannot be determined whether the features were present. The strongest candidate for a shared Paleo-Balkan feature is the postposed article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahli View Post
    There's two possible meanings to his name;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asparukh_(name)

    And somehow the Bulgarian dialect differs a bit from Serbo-Croatian, so I'm wondering what kind of linguistic influence it has from other non-Slavic languages.
    Old Bulgarian dialect is closest to Polish which explains the higher proportion of M458 in Bulgarians, Macedonians and even Romanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ioan assen View Post
    Definitely, you are right! Bulgarian shares so many grammatical features with Albanian, Romanian and Greek that the German linguists in the 19th century coined the term "Balkan linguistic union". See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_sprachbund
    The source of these features as well as the directions have long been debated, and various theories were suggested.
    Strangely some linguists have suggested Thracian as successive language of all related languages.
    Since most of these features cannot be found in languages related to those that belong to the language area (such as other Slavic or Romance languages), early researchers, including Kopitar, believed they must have been inherited from the Paleo-Balkan languages (e.g. Illyrian, Thracian and Dacian) which formed the substrate for modern Balkan languages. But since very little is known about Paleo-Balkan languages, it cannot be determined whether the features were present. The strongest candidate for a shared Paleo-Balkan feature is the postposed article.

    It is hard to explain really. I think supposedly Thracian and Dacian were loosely related to Proto-Balto-Slavic. This could explain some similar shared set of words that modern Slavs have with Thracian words. However the relation is superficial. Bulgarians do have the most Paleo-Balkan YDNA after Albanians and Greeks though, so that could explain their close relation through the absorption of such peoples like Thracians Illyrians etc.

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