Rumours/Theories about Albanian ethnarch Skanderberg.

[Tauromachos]

I remember some people claim that his grandmother was a Cretan-Venetian. True or not?

Εχω ακουσει οτι ο Παπους του ειτανε Βοσκος απο τα Ανωγια

[Kelmendasi]

What agendas could have German or even Albanian professors?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pal_Kastrioti

Skanderbeg paternally isn't of Serb origin that's BS, his family was described by Ottomans as having originated in Kastrat in northern Albania whilst British historians say that his family were Albanians from western Kosovo. It's maternally that he could have Serb origin as his mother is a supposed Serb from the Brankovici

[Mingle]

What is so notable about Skanderberg can you point it out to me? Your country's entire history is based on this figure, "is that really the best Albanians can do?" I am assuming there's no other relevant Albanian figure and even this one is quite obscure since no one outside of the Balkan region has ever heard about him, no matter how famous you claim him to be all across Europe.

I have trouble (and I am being honest) to single out just one brilliant warfare strategist from Iberia. There are so many that I don't even know where to start...our nations are not built upon only one figure. Some of my favorites are Dom Afonso Henriques, Geraldo sem Pavor, Nuno Álvares Pereira, El Cid Campeador, Blas de Lezo, Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba, Don Pelayo...

It's interesting how Albania is a country on the Mediterranean with access to the sea and several coast cities but have never been anything significant. Look at how other Mediterranean countries did - Greece, Italy/Rome, Carthage, Ottomans, Arabs, Spain, Portugal, etc. I don't get why Albania sticks out. It's right between Greece and Italy, but nobody knows anything about it since it hasn't done anything. Even if you want to include the Illyrians, the Illyrians never really did anything notable either afaik. There were a few Illyrians that became Roman emperors though.

[Cristiano viejo]

It's not a story it's a fact. On paper he was a vassal of kingdom of naples, not spain,

Kingdom of Naples belonged to Spain, you damn analphabet

I dont know what I do with such illiterates...

Skanderbeg paternally isn't of Serb origin that's BS, his family was described by Ottomans as having originated in Kastrat in northern Albania whilst British historians say that his family were Albanians from western Kosovo. It's maternally that he could have Serb origin as his mother is a supposed Serb from the Brankovici

So that German and that Albanian professors are wrong, right?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

It's interesting how Albania is a country on the Mediterranean with access to the sea and several coast cities but have never been anything significant. Look at how other Mediterranean countries did - Greece, Italy/Rome, Carthage, Ottomans, Arabs, Spain, Portugal, etc. I don't get why Albania sticks out. It's right between Greece and Italy, but nobody knows anything about it since it hasn't done anything. Even if you want to include the Illyrians, the Illyrians never really did anything notable either afaik. There were a few Illyrians that became Roman emperors though.

Albania can not be put into the same category as Portugal, Spain, Italy and Greece. We're the Mediterranean horizontal axis even though Portugal is not geographically in the Mediterranean. These people have always been very adventurous\pushful-ambitious, so to speak. Albanians to me seem to have been isolated and very self-centered. This can be either positive or negative but I guess it explains why they have persisting outdated practices and tribalism that can barely be found anywhere else in modern Europe.

[Laberia]

Skanderbeg paternally isn't of Serb origin that's BS, his family was described by Ottomans as having originated in Kastrat in northern Albania whilst British historians say that his family were Albanians from western Kosovo. It's maternally that he could have Serb origin as his mother is a supposed Serb from the Brankovici

Scanderbeg paternally was from Mat. Meanwhile there is not a source to prove that his mother was servian. It's mostly a story invented by servs their firomski puppets.

[Albobalboa]

What is so notable about Skanderberg can you point it out to me? Your country's entire history is based on this figure, "is that really the best Albanians can do?" I am assuming there's no other relevant Albanian figure and even this one is quite obscure since no one outside of the Balkan region has ever heard about him, no matter how famous you claim him to be all across Europe.

I have trouble (and I am being honest) to single out just one brilliant warfare strategist from Iberia. There are so many that I don't even know where to start...our nations are not built upon only one figure. Some of my favorites are Dom Afonso Henriques, Geraldo sem Pavor, Nuno Álvares Pereira, El Cid Campeador, Blas de Lezo, Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba, Don Pelayo...

Kill/death ratio of League of Lezhe is bomb as fuck, I saw none of the generals you presented as even close to the same league tbh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Lezh%C3%AB

He is a national hero due to being the leader of League of Lezhe, which is seen as the beginning of a unified Albanian ethnic consciousness.

In the era he lived he was significant. Most people haven't heard about the generals you presented either, does that mean they don't have value, or does it mean most people don't know(don't give a fuck) about others' historical figures unless it's on a global level? Go to 100 people and have them mention what they think about Dom Afonso Henriques and listen as they describe some potential football player.

Tldr: He's a regional figure, not a global figure.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Kill/death ratio of League of Lezhe is bomb as fuck, I saw none of the generals you presented as even close to the same league tbh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Lezh%C3%AB

He is a national hero due to being the leader of League of Lezhe, which is seen as the beginning of a unified Albanian ethnic consciousness.

In the era he lived he was significant. Most people haven't heard about the generals you presented either, does that mean they don't have value, or does it mean most people don't know(don't give a fuck) about others' historical figures unless it's on a global level? Go to 100 people and have them mention what they think about Dom Afonso Henriques and listen as they describe some potential football player.

Tldr: He's a regional figure, not a global figure.

I never claimed that those people were globally famous, your countrymen were the ones that emphasized how Skanderberg is supposedly famous all across Europe. They went as far as saying that he is unrivaled with any Iberian which is laughable. Some of these figures lived nearly ten centuries ago, it is impossible to account accurately death ratios but you can take into consideration their deeds.

[Kelmendasi]

Kingdom of Naples belonged to Spain, you damn analphabet

I dont know what I do with such illiterates...


So that German and that Albanian professors are wrong, right?

Albanian professors don't claim him as Serbian lol and I trust British and actual Ottomann documents more also that "Branilo Kastrioti" who they mention as being the earliest mentioned Kastrioti and of Serbian descent isn't even an actual person afaik, the actual oldest Kastrioti is Konstandin Kastrioti who is the possible father of Pal Kastrioti who is Skanderbeg's grandfather . Even if he had Serbian ancestry, he didn't even fight for the Independence of Serbia nor for the Serbian people he fought for Albanians and managed to unify Albanians not Serbs as he didn't care about Serbs

[Tomorr]

What is so notable about Skanderberg can you point it out to me? Your country's entire history is based on this figure, "is that really the best Albanians can do?" I am assuming there's no other relevant Albanian figure and even this one is quite obscure since no one outside of the Balkan region has ever heard about him, no matter how famous you claim him to be all across Europe.

Most people don't care about history. I do enjoy reading about history and even i don't know much about portuguese history.

He unified the Albanian tribes who were always fighting each other, and banded together to fight the most powerful empire at the time and succeeded until he died of disease at age 62. He was undefeated in battle. Scored countless victories against much larger armies and became famous in europe. He is regarded as one of the greatest military genius in history. Like i said before read more about Skanderbeg yourself and you'll know just what an impact he had.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skanderbeg

Skanderbeg is considered today a commanding figure not only in the national consciousness of Albanians but also of 15th-century European history.[185] According to archival documents, there is no doubt that Skanderbeg had already achieved a reputation as a hero in his own time.[186]

James Wolfe, commander of the British forces at Quebec, spoke of Skanderbeg as a commander who "excels all the officers, ancient and modern, in the conduct of a small defensive army".[193] On October 27, 2005, the United States Congress issued a resolution "honoring the 600th anniversary of the birth of Gjergj Kastrioti (Scanderbeg), statesman, diplomat, and military genius, for his role in saving Western Europe from Ottoman occupation."[194]

Books on the Albanian prince began to appear in Western Europe in the early 16th century. French philosopher Voltaire held the Albanian hero in very high consideration in his works. Ludvig Holberg, a Danish writer and philosopher, claimed that Skanderbeg was one of the greatest generals in history.[207]

The Italian baroque composer Antonio Vivaldi composed an opera entitled Scanderbeg (first performed 1718), libretto written by Antonio Salvi. Another opera, entitled Scanderberg, was composed by 18th-century French composer François Francœur (first performed 1735).[208]

Skanderbeg is the protagonist of three 18th-century British tragedies: William Havard's Scanderbeg, A Tragedy (1733), George Lillo's The Christian Hero (1735), and Thomas Whincop's Scanderbeg, Or, Love and Liberty (1747).[210] A number of poets and composers have also drawn inspiration from his military career. The French 16th-century poet Ronsard wrote a poem about him, as did the 19th-century American poet, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow.[211] Gibbon, the 18th-century historian, held Skanderbeg in high regard with panegyric expressions.

There are monuments and statues in Geneva, Brussels and London.

There is a square in Rome named after Skanderbeg and a statue of him is there

I have trouble (and I am being honest) to single out just one brilliant warfare strategist from Iberia. There are so many that I don't even know where to start...our nations are not built upon only one figure. Some of my favorites are Dom Afonso Henriques, Geraldo sem Pavor, Nuno Álvares Pereira, El Cid Campeador, Blas de Lezo, Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba, Don Pelayo...

Looks like you needed alot more people to form your nation. We have many historical figures of our own but we only needed one, which shows just how great a man he was.

Kingdom of Naples belonged to Spain, you damn analphabet

I dont know what I do with such illiterates...

A kingdom belonging to another kingdom? I think in your retarded mind you must think that Skanderbeg bowed to spaniards and followed their orders. You're delusional. I posted facts, Skanderbeg and Alfonso had close ties and supported each other. But why do i even waste my time arguing with an autist?