Is Greece a Western European country?

[Lavrentis]

As I said, it is dance from the city of Vranje, so called Vranjanska svita. If you know nothing about Serbian folklore and dances, don't make a fool of yourself or deliberately try to delude those who read your stupid and delusional posts.

All I see is a lot of people dancing under Turkish rythms and Serbian flags in the video. Your friend Vozd started posting on the topic first btw.

[Vožd]

Greece received Oriental influence after we accepted Anatolian refugees in 1923. It's Serbia that received Oriental influence during Ottoman rule.

Traditional Serbian dance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqYlIwnUPeg

Traditional Greek dance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYZMrFWnMes

Stop trolling please.
This is dances from Vranje region, minor in whole Serbian culture.
Greece was longer under Ottoman occupacy than Serbia, you really belive Greeks not recive anything?

[Kamal900]

Maybe not modern day, but if this was 100 years ago he could have moved to Greece and assimilated no bother.
I speak in a historical sense, albanian identity was not based on religion but ethnicity unlike the rest of europe.

Historical sense? In what way? The Arabs that lived in the Levant before the Ummuyad period were of Greek Orthodox denomination since they lived under the influence of the Greco-Roman culture of the Byzantines like the Nabateans and the Ghassanids. The native Levantines also were Greek Orthodox Christians as well with the exception of the Maronites. Why is that nobody in the Byzantine empire and beyond called these people as Greeks then? Or fuck, why don't these Christians today claim to be Greeks? Hellenism existed long before the birth of Christianity which is a deep emphasis on Greek culture and identity. Greeks are Greeks because of their Hellenic culture and identity which has existed long before Christianity, and there's plenty of Greek atheists out there as well(e.g Petros). Again, I'd like to see some hard evidence that backs your claims against the Greeks.

[Lavrentis]

Stop trolling please.
This is dances from Vranje region, minor in whole Serbian culture.
Greece was longer under Ottoman occupacy than Serbia, you really belive Greeks not recive anything?

I told you that Oriental stuff in Greece came along Anatolian people who were exchanged to Greece in 1923.

My island was 252 years under the Turks but our music doesn't sound Turkish at all. I can give you more examples.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Stop trolling please.
This is dances from Vranje region, minor in whole Serbian culture.
Greece was longer under Ottoman occupacy than Serbia, you really belive Greeks not recive anything?

I disagree with lavrentis about most of things in terms of Serbia

But you are wrong about the years, as there were parts of Greece out of Ottoman empire

[Queen B]

Can you show me a reliable source on muslims and christians fighting against each other in ww2? Most albanians never fought in the war against each other, we were too busy being invaded by greece and sheltering jewish refugees (unlike "tolerant" christian europe).

Chams were Muslim, right?
Since Chams sided with the Axis then:

a) why didn't Albanian Orthodox, didn't side with them?
b) if Albanian Orthodox didn't side with then, which side the took?

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c)Did or did not the ''Albanian Christians'' fought for Greece's independence?
d)If they had a national identity rather than a religious one, why didn't they fought for Albanian independence?

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e) If there was a national identity, when Cham Albanians fought against Greeks in the first chance they got, why didn't the Orthodox Albanians? As if Greece would side with Turkey and and Cyprus, in any case.

Man We are dealing with Cretan OWD here. Declaring Greeks European wouldnt glorify the Euro identity pretty much the contrary...Considering centuries long Turkish rule which no Greek group, without exception, could escaped.

Btw any normal Greek would assume the reality Greeks are part of the same Eastern, non-Euro, Byzantine, Orthodox heritage shared with Serbs and Romanians.
That’s scientifically correct too, beside historical reality.

Italy is historically Vatican and different from Greeks very sharply.

Not wanting to hurt your feelings, but the world/etymology/characterisation of what is ''Europe'' is first and foremost Greek. You can tell all shits you like about what Greeks are or aren't , but European isn't one of them. If ANYONE can claim the term European, this is Greeks.

[wvwvw]

Most things you said are not true at all, most Anatolian Greeks were not the educated folk that you pretend they where, a lot of them were farmers from Eastern Turkey who couldn't speak a word of Greek, ie Karamanlides.

The Karamanlides were a fraction of the Asia Minor Greeks that arrived to Greece. And they lived in cities unlike Turks who were peasants and lived in villages. Nearly 90% of Asia Minor Greeks lived in cities. They were ethnically cleansed to Greece and over a million was genocided, having lost everything, they may have come dirt poor but they were quite educated. Most of them settled in Macedonia and Athens.

Greece had at least two Karamanlides as Premier ministers


He put us into the EU


PM from 2004-2008

[meisje]

Why do you want so hard to associate Greece with your state?

Greece is Southern European , or Southern Eastern-European. Period.

Its not ''Balkan'', culturally, neither ''Western'', or to be more precise and correct it isn't one or another more. Of course it has influences and similarities with both, but its not ''one'' or ''another''.

Greece is significantly different from Balkan states due to the absence of communism. Like it or not, the steps Greece took in terms of mentality, development and way of thinking makes difference compared to the rest of Balkans. Not to even mention the difference with the Islamic Balkan states.
On the other hand, Greece is also significantly different from ''Western'', as you would call - Scandinavia or Germany. The Renaissance and the lack of Ottomans, together with the difference in religion, also makes cultural differences.

You are worser than old Communist countries, you have 179% debt ratio to GDP, Second Place in the World, You live to pay debt

Viriato's Portugal also in the sixth Place, Double Butthurt in one Thread

https://tradingeconomics.com/country...nt-debt-to-gdp

[Lavrentis]

I try to ignore all those Turks and Albanians who have an agenda against Greece, but it's hard to ignore blatant lies. And you have them here trying to counter pure facts with wishful thinking.

[wvwvw]

Stop trolling please.
This is dances from Vranje region, minor in whole Serbian culture.
Greece was longer under Ottoman occupacy than Serbia, you really belive Greeks not recive anything?

Greece was 380 years under Ottoman rule and the Ionian islands (Western Greece) have never been under Ottoman rule. Crete have been under Ottoman rule for about 200 years.