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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    In Italy, what’s south of Rome was controlled by non-European, non-Western Arabs (Sicily) and Byzantines (Napoli region area). Until Norman masters took over by slaying Greeks and Arabs.

    It’s why south Italy, just like Spain and Portugal which were controlled by Moors, missed the genesis of European/Western civilization. But later they have been Europeanized.

    So Greek OWD’ers should forget about it.
    You are kin with Serbs, Romanians, Bulgarians.
    You are same Eastern, non-Euro Orthodox civilization.
    Back in reality, Greece is closer to Mediterranean European countries than to all countries you referred, supported by both historical and scientific data

    Just because you are insecure and autistic doesn't mean you can change the reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    Back in reality, Greece is closer to Mediterranean European countries than to all countries you referred, supported by both historical and scientific data
    He is clearly trying to gather Greek attention, he doesn't even believe in the bullshit he writes. 2 months ago he opened a thread saying that Greece is not Balkan but south European.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    Greek historiography is a product of the Greek national state. During the foundation of the new state the constitutive myth was the resurrection of the mythical phoenix. Its significance was that Greece resurrected itself, like the mythical Phoenix, after having been under the subjugation of the Macedonians, the Romans, the Byzantines, and the Turks. The first rector of the University of Athens in 1837, Constantine Schinas, referred to the metaphor of an enslaved Greece handed over by the Macedonians to the Romans and then by the Byzantines to the Turks. That was the first official imagination of Greek history in the aftermath of the war of liberation in 1821.

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    Hellenism and the making of Modern Greece

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    This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. This is just his way of explaining the establishment of an independent Greek state that is completely separate from empires, which is great. But it is irrelevant to the discussion, as your posts usually are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    In Italy, what’s south of Rome was controlled by non-European, non-Western Arabs (Sicily) and Byzantines (Napoli region area). Until Norman masters took over by slaying Greeks and Arabs.

    It’s why south Italy, just like Spain and Portugal which were controlled by Moors, missed the genesis of European/Western civilization. But later they have been Europeanized.

    So Greek OWD’ers should forget about it.
    You are kin with Serbs, Romanians, Bulgarians.
    You are same Eastern, non-Euro Orthodox civilization.
    Southern Italy missed nothing.

    In the early nineteenth century Italy was a confederation of states, with Sicily being the most prosperous. At the time, Sicily was not composed of just a few islands, but also a large portion of the Italian peninsula. It included Calabria, Lucania, Basilicata, Campania, Puglia, Abruzzi, and Molise. This “southern kingdom” was the richest of all the Italian states.

    A relatively unknown Italian politician named Victor Emanuel II, who was king of Sardinia and Piemonte (an “inconsequential military and economic state” according to one Italian historian), aspired to be king of all of Italy. He considered federalism and states’ rights to be the essence of anarchy and wanted to preside over one consolidated glorious Italian union. Garibaldi would become his henchman who forced, at gun and bayonet point, Sicily and the rest of Italy to come under the single, consolidated rule of King Emanuel II. According to the historian S. Ben Piazza, Garibaldi already had the reputation as “an international adventurer and freebooter, better known for his paramilitary forays and terrorism carried out against civilian populations in South America, particularly Brazil and Uruguay.” He was an international mercenary terrorist and, as such, was just the man Lincoln was looking for to be in charge of the entire U.S. Army as it invaded a part of its own country.

    Upon conquering Sicily, Garibaldi met with King Victor Emanual II, who promptly seized the vast gold treasury of Sicily. It was one of the biggest looting and plundering sprees in European history. Much of the loot was “shared” in the form of corporate welfare for the Northern Italian, politically-connected business class. This of course was also a hallmark of the Lincoln administration’s Hamiltonian economic policy of “internal improvements,” a euphemism for corporate welfare for railroad, mining, forestry, and other corporations that supported the Republican Party.

    Southern Italy was plundered and impoverished by Garibaldi’s exploits, just as the American South was plundered and destroyed economically by war and “reconstruction” at the hands of Lincoln, Grant, Sherman, Sheridan, and the rest. As with the American “Civil War heroes,” Garibaldi never accepted responsibility for his actions. Why would he?! Piazza quotes him as saying, years later, that “the outrages and injustices perpetrated against the southern [Italian] people are immense and immeasurable. I do not feel that I was personally responsible, for I have a clear conscience on the matter.” Garabaldi also admitted that he would never do it again, for fear “I would be stoned to death, having engendered nothing but squalor and hate in the process.” It is no mere accident, notes Piazza, that the great migration of Italians to “the new world” in the late nineteenth/early twentieth century came overwhelmingly from the impoverished South.

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    In Italy, what’s south of Rome was controlled by non-European, non-Western Arabs (Sicily) and Byzantines (Napoli region area). Until Norman masters took over by slaying Greeks and Arabs.

    It’s why south Italy, just like Spain and Portugal which were controlled by Moors, missed the genesis of European/Western civilization. But later they have been Europeanized.
    It's Italy and Spain that Europanized Europe you idiot. And the "non-European" culture of Byzantines Greeks who having fled the massacres of Turks found refugee in the West contributed to the Renaissance of Europe. Note that all of the discoveries start from the time that the Turks captured Byzantium and began massacring the population forcing them to flee
    to western Europe with thousands of ships filled with ancient Books and Manuscripts and that's what started the Renascence.

    The Turkish population was created through systematic acts of Mass Genocide including the kidnapping of children form their families as a form of taxations and their brainwashing into becoming Muslim fanatics who were then sent back to murder their own people. This act has been declared as Genocide by the International Convention for its prevention and punishment.

    On top of that the Turks exterminated the European peoples of Turkey through pogroms, mass slaughters, death marches and ethnic cleansings. They have no place in the Europe.

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    The main argument of Greeks to pretend they are more Western leaning than their Serb-Vlah cultural common group it's the Byzantine rule in southern Italy.

    Europe in year 800.
    Europe/West civilization is in orange color, the Frank Carolingian Empire, those are the genesis years of Europe/West.
    You see Greeks controlling parts of South Italy, Sicily, and Sardinia.
    That means those parts of geographical southern Europe missed the European genesis because of the non-European, Eastern, Orthodox Byzantine rule:
    Notice also empires of Turkic Bulgars and Khazars.



    Europe year 1000.
    Greeks control more of mainland south Italy however it seems they lost Sicily to Arabs.
    Europe took shape with 1st Germanic holy Reich and France also appear:



    By 1050, the Norman warriors from northwestern France sailed to the region and took anything from the non-European Byzantine and Arab civilizations:
    With Sardinia taken by the European/Western German Reich:


    So Greeks...
    Now the reality...
    The centuries-long Greek rule in southern Italy doesn't make you closer to the later Europeanized south Italy, your rule simply made that region less European.
    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    On top of that the Turks exterminated the European peoples of Turkey through pogroms, mass slaughters, death marches and ethnic cleansings. They have no place in the Europe.
    We didn't kill anyone you Cretan cretin. Beside there were no European people in Anatolia. Eastern Christians, who are categorized more with the Christians of Levant than with actual Europeans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    The main argument of Greeks to pretend they are more Western leaning than their Serb-Vlah cultural common group it's the Byzantine rule in southern Italy.
    What the fuck are you talking about you absolute moron, the main argument of Greeks to be Western is that the Western civilization was born in Greece.

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    Turks are Made in China subhumans, that's the only universal truth.

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    There is nothing Greek about Europe.
    Even the word Europe isn't Greek, it came from the Semitic Akkadian word Gharoob / Erebu meaning sunset.
    You will tell scientific contribution by the Greeks of old? So did Umayad Arabs of Spain. Are they European too?

    You are so OWD'er that you even reject people who are from the same culture as you: Serbs, Romanians and Bulgarians.

    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Turks are Made in China subhumans, that's the only universal truth.
    The more you trash Turks and this will lower you more. Don't forget Turks ruled over your people, but your people never ruled over Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Don't forget Turks ruled over your people, but your people never ruled over Turks.
    Greeks used to rule over the ancestors of modern day Turks since the Indo-European arrival of Greece.

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