Southeastern-Southern Brazil Heritage

[Bell Beaker]

No. Minas Gerais is basically Colonial Portuguese with few Italians + Pardos and Blacks, but many of the ''whites'' there are full or nearly full European. Espírito Santo have many recent European settlers and like Rio and Minas Gerais many regions are predominantly White. These three states are kinda transitional between ''Pardo'' Brazil and ''White'' Brazil. They can vary depending on the region, but they are significantly more Euro than the Northeast. Rio is only very Black in the capital city, the rest of the state is less africanized. Minas Gerais is predominantly White in the South and mixed-tri-racial in the North, it's like a microcosm of Brazil.

That's interesting, when I came to this forum, I thought that most Brazilians were like balanced tri racials and that the SSA and Native American would be more significant. This has to do with Brazilian national teams and famous football players that I was used to see and to appreciate in my childhood and also due to two girls in my class who were very dark and unmistakabely SSA influenced.

Seems like that if you join all 210 million Brazilians into one person and perform a genetic test in that case, you will have something like this.

[JMack]

That's interesting, when I came to this forum, I thought that most Brazilians were like balanced tri racials and that the SSA and Native American would be more significant.

That's the perception everyone have of Brazil around the world. Everytime I said I was Brazilian when travelling some people were surprised. Some guys even asked for passport and said I was faking it. They think there are no whites in Brazil, lol.

But I thought Portuguese would know better, since Brazilian novelas are exhibited in Portugal and most actors are whites.

[Token]

Archeological Site São Miguel Arcanjo - São Miguel das Missões, RS







Laçador - Porto Alegre, RS

[Bell Beaker]

Thanks.
Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais and Espírito Santo are oficially part of the southeast region, together with São Paulo, that yes, is mostly a geopolitical division, but is also characterized by a distinct culture, vegetation and even climate. Center-West and even the Northeast have a lot of colonial Portuguese influence but they were so much influenced by indigenous and African culture and this is visible in toponym, dialectal variations, folklore and even genetics. In a genetic sense, the most European region of Brazil is the South followed by the Southeast and then the Center-West and those north of them. The recent European migrations certainly played a role in the cultural 'Europeanization' of the south (in the broader sense, including the southeast, like we are using in this thread), Italians that visit Brazil says that they feel at home in São Paulo, specially the non-metropolitan regions, and the same is true for Germans in the south.

Oh yeah, I know that inland São Paulo state is very European (geneticaly speaking) but at the same time they have a lot of Amerindian toponyms, legacy of the Bandeirantes who spoke more Tupi than Portuguese. Sometimes corelating Genetics with culture might be wrong or inaccurate, for example in Roman times, a Briton and a Berber north african had nothing in common ancestraly speaking but they shared a lot of cultural aspects due to Roman citzenship.

Culture is something subjective though and it depends on the perspetive, on the eyes of someone from outside who never set a foot in Brazil, all brazilians are the same because they speak the same language and are traditionaly Christian. Religion and Language defines a culture.

[Token]

The Laçador remembers me the Arminius statue. It's interesting considering the strong Germanic legacy present in the south and southeast.

[Bell Beaker]

That's the perception everyone have of Brazil around the world. Everytime I said I was Brazilian when travelling some people were surprised. Some guys even asked for passport and said I was faking it. They think there are no whites in Brazil, lol.

But I thought Portuguese would know better, since Brazilian novelas are exhibited in Portugal and most actors are whites.

Well, in a way we are more aware of what it happens in Brazil, Monday in the radio when I was coming home, they talked about a massacre in a Brazilian prison which didn't even kill 5 persons, as It wasn't of gigantic proportions in let's say Argentina, Iraq or China I think it would not even appear on Radio, so we have more news on Brazil more frequently then people might think.

But usualy most Males only watched 1 or 2 novels with the family when we were younger so we didn't have much expertise in that, Funk is popular here (unfortunately), and most Funk singers are Favelados, and most Brazilians living here are Nordestinos with obvious SSA influence so people have a misconcepted image of your country.

[Token]

Oh yeah, I know that inland São Paulo state is very European (geneticaly speaking) but at the same time they have a lot of Amerindian toponyms, legacy of the Bandeirantes who spoke more Tupi than Portuguese. Sometimes corelating Genetics with culture might be wrong or inaccurate, for example in Roman times, a Briton and a Berber north african had nothing in common ancestraly speaking but they shared a lot of cultural aspects due to Roman citzenship.

Culture is something subjective though and it depends on the perspetive, on the eyes of someone from outside who never set a foot in Brazil, all brazilians are the same because they speak the same language and are traditionaly Christian. Religion and Language defines a culture.

Yes, some people have that uninformed view but remember that Brazil is enormous and, alone, is larger than all European countries together so you can expect a huge cultural gap between the regions. Non-European toponym is present in Brazil, even in the southern regions to a lesser extent, but is also common in Iberia and this doesn't means nothing in reality.

[Bell Beaker]

Yes, some people have that uninformed view but remember that Brazil is enormous and, alone, is larger than all European countries together so you can expect a huge cultural gap between the regions. Non-European toponym is present in Brazil but is also common in Iberia and this doesn't means nothing in reality.

I know, culturaly speaking do you and the inhabitants of your area/state feel more connected with the North/Northeast or with Uruguay/Argentina?

[Token]

I know, culturaly speaking do you and the inhabitants of your area/state feel more connected with the North/Northeast or with Uruguay/Argentina?

Wow, this is a hard question, but what i know for sure is that people from there feel culturally closer to Europeans and others westerners than to northerners. In my case, i grew up in a city where almost everyone had recent German ancestry, and they naturally feel closer to Germans specifically, Ouroboros can tell you better about the southeast.

[Token]

Monument in homage to Ramos de Azevedo - Cidade Universitária USP, SP
It shows clearly influences of proper German architecture and resembles the statue of William in Kolbenz, Germany, reflecting the Germanic cultural legacy present in the south.