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  • All regions are closer to Sicily than to Balkan people.

    2 12.50%
  • All regions are closer to Balkan people than to Sicily.

    1 6.25%
  • The mainland is closer to Balkan people, the islands closer to Sicily.

    1 6.25%
  • The north to Balkan, Peloponnese to central-south Italy and the Aegean islands/Crete to Sicily.

    11 68.75%
  • The mainland is closer to central-south Italy further north, while the islands are closer to Sicily/Calabria. None of them are comparable to Balkan.

    1 6.25%
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Thread: Do you think Greeks LOOK more Balkan or South Italian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I tend to view it as there is southern Italy which is defined by Calabria/Sicily and then there are Apulians who are basically transplanted Greeks so of course they look Greek. I know this is not entirely based in fact, but it has some merit behind it.
    Southern Italy includes Calabria, Campania, Puglia, Basilicata, Abruzzo, Molise and Sicily. Sometimes even Sardinia is included.
    It's a diverse region, like Sicily itself is diverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouroboros View Post
    Southern Italy includes Calabria, Campania, Puglia, Basilicata, Abruzzo, Molise and Sicily. Sometimes even Sardinia is included.
    It's a diverse region, like Sicily itself is diverse.
    In that case I would say you could group Molise, Abruzzo, Apulia, and Lucania together, and then Campania, Calabria, and Sicily together. Though I think parts of Campania might be more like Lazio. Sardinia is in its own category. Also, for what it is worth, I do think the notion of Armenoid Sardinians is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    In that case I would say you could group Molise, Abruzzo, Apulia, and Lucania together, and then Campania, Calabria, and Sicily together. Though I think parts of Campania might be more like Lazio. Sardinia is in its own category. Also, for what it is worth, I do think the notion of Armenoid Sardinians is ridiculous.
    Tell this to DarknessWin who said it in some threads.

    Anyway I don't see any reason to divide Southern Italy as if it is somewhat different when you can find similar looking people in all regions. Of course there are local types, but most Sicilians can pass in Abruzzo and vice-versa. It's not like some guy from L'Aquila is walking around Trapani and people will notice him, it's absurd.

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    Hard to say.

    Since Island Greeks are usualy considered here as Southern Italian looking

    I will leave them out and explain what i think about Mainland Greeks.

    I think as a whole Greek Mainlanders look more similar to their Greek cousins from Islands and Crete than to Non Greek Balkan people
    Thus more Southern Italian than Balkan

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    Others?

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    I think if you're comparing country to country or region to region then I think you'd have to say mainland Greeks as a whole (with the possible exception of Macedonia) resemble Central Italians with Islanders closer phenotypically to Sicilians possibly. I'm not sure I buy into the notion that Thessalians for example look more like Bulgarians than Peloponnesians look like Central Italians. If that were the case then why do so many Peloponnesians cluster so close to Thessalians? As far as Balkanites are concerned where are the examples to compare to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kleenex View Post
    I think if you're comparing country to country or region to region then I think you'd have to say mainland Greeks as a whole (with the possible exception of Macedonia) resemble Central Italians with Islanders closer phenotypically to Sicilians possibly. I'm not sure I buy into the notion that Thessalians for example look more like Bulgarians than Peloponnesians look like Central Italians. If that were the case then why do so many Peloponnesians cluster so close to Thessalians? As far as Balkanites are concerned where are the examples to compare to?
    Peloponnesians have more western admixture than do Thessalians, or alternatively appear that way because of less eastern admixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouroboros View Post
    Tell this to DarknessWin who said it in some threads.

    Anyway I don't see any reason to divide Southern Italy as if it is somewhat different when you can find similar looking people in all regions. Of course there are local types, but most Sicilians can pass in Abruzzo and vice-versa. It's not like some guy from L'Aquila is walking around Trapani and people will notice him, it's absurd.
    Exactly this is also the case for Greeks when you compare Mainland with Islands

    Northern Mainlanders with North Ionian Islanders and North Aegean Islanders.

    Southern Mainlanders with other Islanders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernautic View Post
    Exactly this is also the case for Greeks when you compare Mainland with Islands

    Northern Mainlanders with North Ionian Islanders and North Aegean Islanders.

    Southern Mainlanders with other Islanders.
    Again, no. There is a huge genetic gap between Peloponnesians and Crete/Dodecanese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I tend to view it as there is southern Italy which is defined by Calabria/Sicily and then there are Apulians who are basically transplanted Greeks so of course they look Greek. I know this is not entirely based in fact, but it has some merit behind it.
    How do you know for sure they're transplanted Greeks? What if they're descended from the same ancient population?

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