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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    No, as it is not sure, if semitic languages are Hamitic.
    generally I use it is two meanings: hamitic in traditional
    sense of north african peoples/languages (AA except
    semitic) and sometimes as descendats of Ham (if I do
    not use word Hamitoids, but as morons don;t noticed
    the difference, I do not care which I choose)
    If you don't consider Hamites and Semites to be the same thing, then why not list Semites as well? They are about as much a European tribe as North Africans are.

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    G-haplo had nothing to do with CHG admix, samples were full EEF iirc, even when they arrived from Anatolia.
    Georgians carry most of it today, but it was not CHG-admixed before.

    J2's started to invade Europe(mostly South) in the Bronze Age.

    Rethelian articulation makes the thread funnier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Master View Post
    G-haplo had nothing to do with CHG admix, samples were full EEF iirc, even when they arrived from Anatolia.
    Georgians carry most of it today, but it was not CHG-admixed before.

    J2's started to invade Europe(mostly South) in the Bronze Age.

    Rethelian articulation makes the thread funnier.
    Yh G has it's origin around Anatolia, haplogroup J is the haplogroup associated with CHG peoples. I think J2 could've started to make it's way into Europe during the late Neolithic and early Bronze Age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Yh G has it's origin around Anatolia, haplogroup J is the haplogorup associated with CHG peoples. I think J2 could've started to make it's way into Europe during the late Neolithic and early Bronze Age.
    Yeah, which is why Rethel needs to change the association of G haplo with CHG admix.

    Wasn't the Mesolithic J found in Karelia empty of CHG and instead full on EHG? Perhaps it was a case of back and forth migratory patterns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Master View Post
    Wasn't the Mesolithic J found in Karelia empty of CHG? Perhaps it was a case of back and forth migratory patterns.
    The Mesolithic Karelian was J1 iirc which has it's origin from CHG peoples from the Paleolithic although he was a EHG and not a CHG. Autosomally he was apparently the same as R1 EHG peoples
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    If you don't consider Hamites and Semites to be the same thing, then why not list Semites as well? They are about as much a European tribe as North Africans are.
    As I said above: there is no traces of their organized existence or entering of Europe.
    They came here as part of other migrations or as small separate individual onces.
    I wanted them add, but later I rethink it. I would then have also add all hgs, which
    are in europe - so basicly whole alphabet. And the main thing is also, that Semites
    had their main territory outside of Europe, and this "center" was sending people all
    over the ages. I counted Hamites only, becasue V13 seems to have the center in
    Europe, so by occasion, and mentioned also rest of Hamites, as it is not known, if
    Pelasgians where just hamitoc (in linguistic meaning) speaking people, or they had
    totaly different, own language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Yh G has it's origin around Anatolia, haplogroup J is the haplogroup associated with CHG peoples.
    There are too few samples to say something certain about it - you
    can count them on the fingers of one hand. We'll see in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Master View Post
    Yeah, which is why Rethel needs to change the association of G haplo with CHG admix.
    I will take it into brackets. Will you be happy then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    As I said above: there is no traces of their organized existence or entering of Europe.
    They came here as part of other migrations or as small separate individual onces.
    I wanted them add, but later I rethink it. I would then have also add all hgs, which
    are in europe - so basicly whole alphabet. And the main thing is also, that Semites
    had their main territory outside of Europe, and this "center" was sending people all
    over the ages. I counted Hamites only, becasue V13 seems to have the center in
    Europe, so by occasion, and mentioned also rest of Hamites, as it is not known, if
    Pelasgians where just hamitoc (in linguistic meaning) speaking people, or they had
    totaly different, own language.
    E-V13 was more towards inland Europe before the Bronze Age invasions helped it spread towards the shores.
    Pelasgian makes no sense as there is no concrete proof about their exact point of origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    There are too few samples to say something certain about it - you
    can count them on the fingers of one hand. We'll see in the future.
    G has it's highest diversity in Anatolia suggesting origin there and most G samples found had Neolithic admix and not CHG. J on the other hand has been found in the Caucasus since the Paleolithic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Master View Post
    E-V13 was more towards inland Europe before the Bronze Age invasions helped it spread towards the shores.
    Pelasgian makes no sense.
    It makes all sense, as the name pelasgian is associated with the name philistine.
    Philistines were from Greece, and were a branch of Hamites. So, this is why I used it tp described V13.

    You do not have to like it, but you do not have anything better anyway.

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