SEVEN TRIBES OF EUROPE...

[Kelmendasi]

E-V13 was more towards inland Europe before the Bronze Age invasions helped it spread towards the shores.
Pelasgian makes no sense.

Apparently some E-M35 admins from Ftdna believe that V13 originated in the highlands between Montenegro and Albania. Pelasgians were most probably J2a in majority

[Kelmendasi]

It makes all sense, as the name pelasgian is associated with the same philistine.
Philistines were from Greece, and were a branch of Hamites. So, this is why I used it.

V13 originated far before Pelasgians or Philistines though

[Ülev]

High levels of Paleolithic Y-chromosome lineages characterize Serbia
Maria Regueiro, Luis Rivera, Tatjana Damnjanovic, Ljiljana Lukovic, Jelena Milasin, Rene J. Herrera paper estimates that R1a-M458 is in Serbia 14kya old, while in other Slavic areas (R1a-M458 is Slavic only marker and rare outside of europe) it is 11kya...this means R1a-M458 must have spread to Poland from Balkan... this could have been in times of Pelasgians or perhaps before...

R1a1a*(xM458) is oldest in Indo-Aryan and Dravidian speakers in India and is there 14kya old, while in Serbia it is 11kya....

we do not know what was the language of R1a-M458 people (dominant marker in Poles) but we can only assume that they are in Europe last 14kya, and originally on Balkan....

Pelasgi(ans) are good guess due to same key word used for tribal name
polje = field => Poljaci
Pelagos = field, flatland, sea (probably loan word from Pelasgian language to Greek) => Pelazgi

Julius Pokorny derives Pelasgoi from *pelag-skoi (Flachlandbewohner, or "flatland-inhabitants"); specifically, Bewohner der thessalischen Ebene ("Inhabitants of the Thessalian plain").[9] He details a previous derivation, which appears in English at least as early as William Gladstone's Studies on Homer and the Homeric Age.[10] If the Pelasgians were not Indo-Europeans, the name in this derivation must have been assigned by the Hellenes.
The ancient Greek word for "sea", pelagos, comes from the same root, *plāk-, as the Doric word plagos, "side" (which is flat), appearing in *pelag-skoi. Ernest Klein therefore simply interprets the same reconstructed form as "the sea men", where the sea is the flat.[
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelasgians

those are pretty strong indications that west Slavs origin from ancient Balkan people very likely from Pelasgians.....I do not make any claim about languages as languages can change fast as we know on case of latin spoken originally only in rome and its derivatives spread fast to big chunk of Europe and to latin America, and from celtic languages disappearing from vast area in short time... looking history through language only is unreliable... it works only for quite recent and already known history...

i will add that only extremely biased people with strong anti-slavic agenda can apriori discard all these thoughts above as rubish and threaten with ban to people who dare to think about it...
i thought in 21 century in europe I will not need to fight for freedom to say what i think.....
Greece was attacked by Avars together with some Slavic tribes. That's the reason why we have higher level of R1a in Macedonia (Greece). After that, Bulgarians took control under some parts of Albania and Greece.
there are still avars in caucasus... not sure anymore, but as far as I remember they were J2...


It is opposite from the results which we know. Take a look on the R1a tree and you'll be able to understand everything.
what is opposite? that R1a were associated with Kurgan? that r1a was associated with PIE? that PIE was spread by Kurgan culture?

[Kelmendasi]

^^
Ohhh lordy lord

[Peterski]

Farmerians

[Ülev]

http://admixturemap.paintmychromosomes.com/

[Ülev]

[Rethel]

Farmerians

To differenciate the G-group, who was a core from
so called Early Farmers and normal farmers per se.
I think, it is the most unconflictic name possible

[Rethel]

V13 originated far before Pelasgians or Philistines though

Do you know any other later E population in Greece? No? so it have to be they.

And V13 is 4000 years old. Be reasonable.

[DarknessWin]

First of all Indoeuropeans were not just R but included R1a,R1b,EV13,J2
Second they were not Nordic
Third , the only Nordic looking people were the native europeans from I1 and I2

Someone must ban this idiot once and for all