How would you group them?

[Taiji]

How the fuck are you so knowledgeable? I swear to god you're like a human encyclopedia.

Iknorite? I'm actually super impressed. Definitely one of the most informative posters here or anywhere else.

[Taiji]

China has some issues with the treatment of minorities too, the worst is probably Xinjiang which has a very heavy security presence, of course, this is also because of terrorism and the fact that Uighurs do commit higher crime than other ethnic groups. Contrary to the Western media, there are not close to the amount of tensions with Tibetans. China has spent massive amounts of money in developing these regions however and improving the infrastructure and standard of living.

As for the other ethnic minorities, they are pretty much assimilated more or less. I think the main reason why China has been very successful in assimilating different groups is because Han Chinese themselves are very diverse, so they are accustomed to cultural differences within the Chinese identity. Take for example the ethnic Koreans in NE China, they pretty much consider themselves Chinese first, as opposed to the ones in Japan who have been heavily discriminated for generations.

I can agree with you that there are segments of ethnic minorities (perhaps even large segments) that are unhappy and that Xinjiang is far less integrated than Tibet. And there are some Chinese who can be very bigoted, especially towards Muslim minorities and migrants workers from Henan and Hebei for instance. I also know that there are Tibetans and Uighurs who do feel grievances with the Chinese government. I think it's important to listen to their side of the story and not snub them off.

But sometimes I do feel that the over emphasis on these differences as reported by certain interest groups is far from constructive and comes with their own hidden agendas. They never ever focus on the positives, nor suggest any solutions. They also seem to very happily tolerate the plight of minorities in other countries where the oppression is of magnitudes worse. We've heard of the "Rohingya genocide" constantly but when was the last time you heard of the plight of the Karen for instance? And could you remember how the Kokang were treated by the media?

Of course China is a civilization state and the concept of races and ethnic purity never existed in China until the 1911 revolution. I can guarantee you that while China took in Korean and Vietnamese refugees and they became Chinese eventually while being allowed to keep their culture and open vernacular schools with no objection. Chinese would never be treated the same way in Korea or Vietnam.

Indians on the other hand are a joke. The racism in India is very real and intense. Notice how Starshitizen and Fractal are constantly making disparaging, offensive statements about other ethnics yet are quickest to play the role of victim? They act like defenders of some sacred culture that was wronged by others

[Mingle]

But sometimes I do feel that the over emphasis on these differences as reported by certain interest groups is far from constructive and comes with their own hidden agendas. They never ever focus on the positives, nor suggest any solutions. They also seem to very happily tolerate the plight of minorities in other countries where the oppression is of magnitudes worse. We've heard of the "Rohingya genocide" constantly but when was the last time you heard of the plight of the Karen for instance? And could you remember how the Kokang were treated by the media?

Yep. The Rohingya violence was started after a Rakhine woman was raped. There is so much misinformation in the media, it's ridiculous. In addition to using British weapons on the Rakhines, the illegal Rohingya migrants tried to divide Burma and give northwest Rakhine to East Pakistan when Pakistan was being created in 1947.

In May 1946, Muslim leaders from Arakan, Burma (present-day Rakhine State, Myanmar) met with Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, and asked for the formal annexation of two townships in the Mayu region, Buthidaung and Maungdaw, by East Pakistan (present-day Bangladesh). Two months later, the North Arakan Muslim League was founded in Akyab (present-day Sittwe, capital of Rakhine State), which also asked Jinnah to annex the region.[63] Jinnah refused, saying he could not interfere with Burma's internal matters. After Jinnah's refusal, proposals were made by Muslims in Arakan to the newly formed post-independence government of Burma, asking for the concession of the two townships to Pakistan. The proposals were rejected by the Burmese parliament.[64]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohing...estern_Myanmar

They have been at the necks of Rakhine Buddhists for ages. It isn't part of some Muslim persecution. Also, the conflict isn't even religious in nature. The Panthay (Hui) Muslims and Kamein Muslims and Myedu Muslims of Myanmar are nicely assimilated and never cause problems. It's only one specific separatist sectarian migrant community that does. The Kamein Muslims are also of Bengali descent and were invited by the Kingdom of Mrauk U. Mrauk U was the name of the Rakhine Kingdom in the past and is responsible for why Rakhine people have a somewhat distinguished identity and aren't considered ethnic Burmese, it's similar to Laos people who don't consider themselves Thais even though they speak the same dialect as people from Isan. Mrauk U was called "Mrohaung" and is where the name Rohingya comes from. Sometimes, dishonest people use them as an example to say that the modern day "Rohingyas" have been there since ancient times. Myedu Muslims are descended from Muslim POWs and Panthay Muslims are descended from Hui Chinese migrants. None of these communities cause any problem. Unfortunately, the Rohingya vs Rakhine conflict got turned into a Muslim vs Buddhist issue so some of those other Muslim ethnic groups got caught in the crossfire, but they are otherwise pretty safe, have citizenship, and don't face persecution.

The conflict could be solved if there is a strong effort in the Rohingya community to assimilate or if Bangladesh takes back their people.

Tbf, the Karen situation is a bit different.

Also, it's interesting how the Western media brings Muslim conflicts in China (Uyghurs) and Myanmar (Rohingyas) constantly trying to portray them as victims, but does the opposite in the Philippines where they are portrayed as terrorists. The whole conflict in the Philippines happened because Mindanao was illegally annexed (in violation of the Bates Treaty signed by the US) and then swarmed with [mostly Visayan and some Luzonian] Catholic colonialists and their terrorist Catholic hit squads known as "ilagas".

Also, regarding the Uyghurs, they are somewhat similar to the Rohingyas in using a false name. That name was given to the Turks of Xinjiang by the Soviets in a conference in Tashkent in 1921 and before that they were called generic "Turki" (Turk) or sometimes "Taranchi" (Tarimian) or "Musulman" (Muslim). It was given by the Soviets to legitimize Turkic separatists so that they could divide China and is still in use to this day. The real Uyghurs still exist though and are called Yugur and still practice Buddhism. They live in Gansu and speak a Siberian Turkic language.

[Mingle]

How the fuck are you so knowledgeable? I swear to god you're like a human encyclopedia.

I wish I'd spend as much time on my college studies as I do reading random history/trivia

[Taiji]

Yep. The Rohingya violence was started after a Rakhine woman was raped. There is so much misinformation in the media, it's ridiculous. In addition to using British weapons on the Rakhines, the illegal Rohingya migrants tried to divide Burma and give northwest Rakhine to East Pakistan when Pakistan was being created in 1947.

In May 1946, Muslim leaders from Arakan, Burma (present-day Rakhine State, Myanmar) met with Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, and asked for the formal annexation of two townships in the Mayu region, Buthidaung and Maungdaw, by East Pakistan (present-day Bangladesh). Two months later, the North Arakan Muslim League was founded in Akyab (present-day Sittwe, capital of Rakhine State), which also asked Jinnah to annex the region.[63] Jinnah refused, saying he could not interfere with Burma's internal matters. After Jinnah's refusal, proposals were made by Muslims in Arakan to the newly formed post-independence government of Burma, asking for the concession of the two townships to Pakistan. The proposals were rejected by the Burmese parliament.[64]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohing...estern_Myanmar

Correct. Plenty of the photographic evidence of "Buddhists burning and killing Rohingyas" are photos of events in other countries. It's sensationalism usually started by someone misrepresenting information and becoming viral. There's one Chinese equivalent to it, the photo of a Chinese woman being beheaded by a Japanese sword while carrying a child (the photo is a fake but of course it's enough to outrage many due to the historical reasons behind it). However, in the case of the Japanese invasion of China, the Japanese were killing Chinese on Chinese soil. In the case of the Rohingyas, the Buddhists are actually expelling the invaders from their soil. So any Chinese who knows the full story shouldn't be so quick to support the Rohingyas.

Also that case where the Buddhist woman was raped and murdered by Muslims has become lost on the internet. if I tried to look for that information today I wouldn't find it. Instead a google search only yields results of Buddhists raping and killing Rohingya Muslims. But looking at the refugees, many look quite fit and healthy. I've seen the images of the Kachin, Kokang, Chin refugees and IDPs and many actually sustain injuries including bruisings and fractures from beatings, bullet injuries, missing limbs from landmines planted by the Burmese army. Brutalized Rohingya refugees sustain no such injuries. To me the Rohingya are clearly lying and exaggerating their ordeals.

They have been at the necks of Rakhine Buddhists for ages. It isn't part of some Muslim persecution. Also, the conflict isn't even religious in nature. The Panthay (Hui) Muslims and Kamein Muslims and Myedu Muslims of Myanmar are nicely assimilated and never cause problems. It's only one specific separatist sectarian migrant community that does. The Kamein Muslims are also of Bengali descent and were invited by the Kingdom of Mrauk U. Mrauk U was the name of the Rakhine Kingdom in the past and is responsible for why Rakhine people have a somewhat distinguished identity and aren't considered ethnic Burmese, it's similar to Laos people who don't consider themselves Thais even though they speak the same dialect as people from Isan. Mrauk U was called "Mrohaung" and is where the name Rohingya comes from. Sometimes, dishonest people use them as an example to say that the modern day "Rohingyas" have been there since ancient times. Myedu Muslims are descended from Muslim POWs and Panthay Muslims are descended from Hui Chinese migrants. None of these communities cause any problem. Unfortunately, the Rohingya vs Rakhine conflict got turned into a Muslim vs Buddhist issue so some of those other Muslim ethnic groups got caught in the crossfire, but they are otherwise pretty safe, have citizenship, and don't face persecution.

Wow, this is quite an enlightening read. Never knew of that before.


It makes this monk’s protest much more understandable and provides the historical context to it. So it would seem that the Rohingyas have always been trouble makers and separatists (quite similar to the ETIM in China) while being agents of a foreign country/entity. Literal fifth columns. In the old days, this would be considered treason and it would be reasonable to extinguish the whole group who did this. That's what happened to the Dzungars who were the residents of Xinjiang before the Uighurs moved in.

I've noticed that in many countries, it's usually a Muslim group pushing for secession, often using a form of populism (victimhood status) to enrage the masses.

The conflict could be solved if there is a strong effort in the Rohingya community to assimilate or if Bangladesh takes back their people.

Agreed. Although I feel that the Rohingyas have too often acted against the interest of Myanmar to ever truly be accepted. Unless they acknowledge their own history of persecuting the native Arakanese and Rakhine and make amends, I feel such assimilations aren't going to be genuine. I'm in favor of the latter solution, and if there are too many, India has an obligation to take the rest back. Too much sh*t literally flows out from India.

Tbf, the Karen situation is a bit different.

Indeed. Starting with the fact the Karen are natives of the region, much more so than the Bamar.

Also, it's interesting how the Western media brings Muslim conflicts in China (Uyghurs) and Myanmar (Rohingyas) constantly trying to portray them as victims, but does the opposite in the Philippines where they are portrayed as terrorists. The whole conflict in the Philippines happened because Mindanao was illegally annexed (in violation of the Bates Treaty signed by the US) and then swarmed with [mostly Visayan and some Luzonian] Catholic colonialists and their terrorist Catholic hit squads known as "ilagas".

It's hypocrisy and the support of Uighurs and Rohingyas comes with the agenda of weakening both China and Myanmar. That's why the Western media hardly ever brings up the genocides and ethnic abuse in India and Kachin State in Myanmar. The latter could provide a future flashpoint for conflict between China and Myanmar, so the Neocon agenda is to let the tensions fester.

The Philippines is a very good example since we only know it as a peaceful country, and not for the ethnic and religious violence raging inside. It’s in their interest to keep China’s neighbors as hostile against China as possible while attacking friendly states like Thailand and Cambodia.

Thediplomat (just another RadiofreeAsia, a very pretentious medium) is one of the best sources when it comes to uncovering this geopolitical strategy. Their disappointment when most of the ASEAN countries decided against a confrontational stance on China in the SCS was palpable. I’d say Duterte was a turning point for the Philippines and thank goodness for that. A similar tactic was used against Russia, we all know the reasons behind conflict in the Balkans.

Also, regarding the Uyghurs, they are somewhat similar to the Rohingyas in using a false name. That name was given to the Turks of Xinjiang by the Soviets in a conference in Tashkent in 1921 and before that they were called generic "Turki" (Turk) or sometimes "Taranchi" (Tarimian) or "Musulman" (Muslim). It was given by the Soviets to legitimize Turkic separatists so that they could divide China and is still in use to this day. The real Uyghurs still exist though and are called Yugur and still practice Buddhism. They live in Gansu and speak a Siberian Turkic language.

Very good facts and historical background. That there are more than 20 ethnic minorities there proves that this area changed hands so often, that most groups living there can consider themselves “native”. Modern day Uighurs themselves only came to the area in the 9th century. And only in the Southern part. They moved to the North after the previous occupants, the Oirat Mongols, Dzungar were wiped out of the area.

The name Xinjiang is also misleading. It was originally called Xiyu and was controlled by Han dynasty more than 2000 years ago. The original inhabitants were probably an Iranic type people known as Yuezhi who were later conquered by the Xiongnu.

Of course, the mainstream “non-chinese” view is that the modern day Uighurs are the original owners of the land even if many of them might not even be from that region. It’s quite baffling because it seems to suggest that only Uighurs have a right to be there, while ignoring all other ethnic groups there.
Uighurs and the ETIM are grouped as one; and all Uighurs are portrayed as noble freedom fighters disregarding those that are in fact happy to be in the PRC. Also, they go to great lengths to justify and rebrand acts of terrorism committed by this group. In the 2009 Riots, the Han are the racist villains yet most of the killings were committed by the rioters who uttered genocidal slogans attempting to purge Xinjiang of ALL non Uighurs. Also during tensions in 2008 and beyond, majority of the police officers and civil servants killed are in fact ethnic Uighurs.

Much is said about democracy and universal suffrage, yet why is it that only the side of the separatists are portrayed? Why are the positive developments of the central government to this area ignored? Why are the Uighurs who are actually happy Chinese citizens left out? And what about the other ethnic minorities there?

[Taiji]

I wish I'd spend as much time on my college studies as I do reading random history/trivia

That's good for us to have a walking encyclopedia among us, not so good for you

Anyways, here are the latest developments: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKBN1DN0HA

Myanmar finally succumbs to international pressure. Apparently, everyone but Trans Himalayans have a right to deport invaders, terrorists and foreign separatists from their countries. The world only cares when it is China "oppressing" Tibetans, doesn't give a hoot when Trans Himalayans are being massacred and displaced by non Mongoloids. In fact, they even assist in the slaughter. The UN, UNHCR and HRW are just anti Mongoloid, more so than anyone else.

Many Trans Himalayan speakers exist as marginalized, isolated groups and are quickly disappearing as we speak, many being replaced by Indics. Currently there are 400 Trans Himalayan speakers but many are disappearing fast. Favoritism always works against us because we probably look like aliens and speak an otherworldly language

The world has chosen this:


Over this:

[solaris]

Depends, they have a wide variance. Most would pass more easily in Mainland SE Asia, Myanmar or so. But some can pass in East Asia and some even in Central Asia.

+ latin america.

[simple matter]

Yeah, I really wished China stepped in and pressured India to stop mistreating them. Some of my friends suggested threatening India through military force.

Honestly, I sometimes feel that China is the only country where the majority sees the minority as their equals or even better than themselves, never ever focuses on their racial differences, where there is none of the "us vs them" mindset like everywhere else in the world.

Now compare to India.


The words Indians and civilized couldn't be further a part.

Northeasterners cannot even enjoy a friendly soccer match without disturbances from these uncivilised idiots. NorthEastUnited Fans suffering the Chennaiyin FC fools.

Why? Is that really strange? Just because they have 'India' in their nationality and have "compatriots" that I consider garbage doesn't mean I don't relate to them. To me, we have a common ancestor united through blood and language families. The ones I know have accepted me so it's only right I do the same. They're part of my family too. Genetically we are also very similar you know.

You see, Whites aren't the only people with a One Drop Rule. Chinese have it as well. Only difference is as long as you have a drop of Chinese blood, you'll always be welcomed as one of us

You're definitely like our ethnic minorities with the same admirable proud in your own culture. You're also very similar to our rural community

Of course opinions are varied and to be brutally honest, Chinese see your people similar to how you see us. Many of us don't know each other well enough to make a judgment (I hope this changes though).

But those that do know have nothing but good things to say about Nepalese people. During the earthquake, the Chinese who knew about it felt great sympathy for the people and students rushed to give donations and support to the people of Nepal.

Thank you. That is heartening to hear. I have always wondered how is the rural Chinese community like. I have also wondered when are you going to visit Nepal.

On a lighter side of things, here is a beautiful performance by a Naga girl.


Now I am not sure what your taste in music is. Just that you enjoy music. Hope it brightened your day, Mr. Taiji.

[wvwvw]

How the fuck are you so knowledgeable? I swear to god you're like a human encyclopedia.

He has been re-incarnated many times throughout the ages.

[Вavhat]

This thread filled with anti-India comments and bias. Here is what actual Northeast Indians think about India:

We northeast people are Indian souls. We love our country and countrymen. We equally respect our national flag and national anthem. Everyone memorize and sing our national anthem and fly flags. We attend our national festivals, participate and march in parade with pride.

Our northeast is a meeting place of various religions each having different opinions and beliefs. We have customs and traditions unique and they are widely accepted and passed down from generation to generation. We celebrate religious festivals Diwali, Holi, Christmas, Eid etc together. We enjoy watching cricket, football match and support our Indian team and celebrate victory. We also maintain unity in diversity.

Languages used by us are equally sweet, impressive and expressive. Our rich culture and literary works have reached national levels. We have dedicated and committed approach .We try to be environment friendly and we learned from Swach Bharat campaign. People donate blood to hospitals but still there is blood shortage. We also aim global brotherhood. People participate in voting and I voted for the first time this year and believe that it has impact on making our country better. We have outstanding zeal to bring out the best and take part in Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam’s vision and mission of Developed India and support Modi Ji’s idea of changing our mindset to bring Acche Din. From mythological days and freedom movement we have been a part of national mainstream.

There are many false beliefs about North East. Do you know Hindi? People will always ask us. We know Hindi and English.Yes there are tribal communities, everyone is not. Our food habits may be different, not a denying fact. Every state has its own special cuisine. But we don’t live in forest and we don’t like being called backwards, chinki and other terms. We have institutes of national importance and good colleges and it should be increased to good number. Here students are talented and hardworking and many students from different parts of the country come to study. They like to talk and share ideas with us and like our simplicity.

Reality picture of equality is different. People don’t get equal opportunities. It depends on economic, social, decision making of government and its integration in development. People have diverse interest and we are all unique. At first I am Indian, Assamese because I am born and brought up in Assam, Bodo girl speaking Bodo and Assamese from my early childhood. And I am proud of my identity. Assam is the main economic power of Northeast. If you are Indian you should know about Northeast. It is a ‘Little Paradise on Earth’.

The Iron man of India (Sardar Vallabhai Patel) was so touched by the beauty of Meghalaya said “Your land is a land for gods to live in. Its air, its natural scenery, its pure atmosphere, its sweet water would attract even god”.

The National Flag was first unfurled on Indian soil at Moirang in Manipur in April 1944 by the Indian National Army led by Subhash Chandra Bose. This is a moment of pride for us.

I think real India lives in the places where we have preserved the our local culture and our way of life not the cities where life is westernized. Real India is North East ( or any distant part of our country) where nature is still preserved, we respect our elders and live a life in community supporting each other.

We all are tribes of this beautiful land. Of course we have forgotten who we are and how our old generation lived with nature. This is greed which is converting us all, making us fight each other and causing pain to ourselves.

https://www.quora.com/What-do-Northe...of-the-country