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Why do people deny South Italy and Aegean islands are close phenotypically/genetically to West Asia?
I honestly do not see how this can continue to be denied. It should be considered scientific anthropological fact.
As far as the phenotypes go, do you really expect these people to look more French, German, British or even Spanish than like Lebanese, Cypriots, or Armenians? It is entirely counterintuitive and defies common sense. It does not even make sense to believe they will look exactly like all other Italians and all other Greeks, either.
And in my opinion, people are simply denying the truth.
1. Peer reviewed genetic studies have demonstrated elevated Near Eastern input in the two areas when compared to mainland Greece, Albania, etc.
Sarno et al 2017:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-01802-4
"Our results reveal a shared Mediterranean genetic continuity, extending from Sicily to Cyprus, where Southern Italian populations appear genetically closer to Greek-speaking islands than to continental Greece. Besides a predominant Neolithic background, we identify traces of Post-Neolithic Levantine- and Caucasus-related ancestries, compatible with maritime Bronze-Age migrations."
Lazaridis et al 2013:
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...-day_Europeans
""While our three-way mixture model fits the data for most European populations, two sets of populations are poor fits. First, Sicilians, Maltese, and Ashkenazi Jews have EEF estimates beyond the 0-100% interval (SI13) and they cannot be jointly fit with other Europeans in the (SI12). These populations may have more Near Eastern ancestry than can be explained via EEF admixture (SI13), an inference that is also suggested by the fact that they fall in the gap between European and Near Eastern populations in the PCA of Fig. 1B.""
Paschou et al:
http://www.pnas.org/content/111/25/9211.abstract
According to this study, Sicilians from Syracuse bridge the gap between southern Peloponnesians and Crete, and all of these are noted to have additional ancestry from the Near East. It is a continuum from Dodecanese to Crete/Sicily/Laconia and then onto mainland Greeks and Italians.
"The resulting networks clearly indicate a path from the Near East populations (Palestinian, Druze) to Anatolia (Cappadocia), and from there to the islands of Dodecanese, and Crete. The connections between Crete and the rest of Greece (South East-Laconia → Peloponnese → Macedonia) as well as the populations of Sicily and Italy are evident. Analyses were performed by using the top three to seven PCs and results were robust regardless of the number of principal components used. The geographic proximity and partial overlap in the PCA of Crete and Sicily is also compatible with gene flow from Crete to Italy and to Southern Europe through population movements along the Southern Mediterranean coast."
2. PCA plots demonstrate that these regions are closer to West Asians than to Western, Northeastern, Central Europeans, and equidistant to Iberians.
3. GEDmatch makes it very clear who they are closer to.
This is my cousin from Palermo:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.08
2 West_Med 17.11
3 West_Asian 14.11
4 Atlantic 13.41
5 North_Sea 11.12
6 Red_Sea 7.27
7 Baltic 2.83
8 Northeast_African 1.33
9 Eastern_Euro 0.95
10 Sub-Saharan 0.73
11 Oceanian 0.59
12 Southeast_Asian 0.3
13 Siberian 0.18
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 4.4
2 East_Sicilian 4.53
3 Italian_Jewish 4.84
4 Central_Greek 5.96
5 Sephardic_Jewish 6.52
6 Italian_Abruzzo 6.76
7 West_Sicilian 6.78
8 Ashkenazi 6.88
9 Algerian_Jewish 7.45
10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.49
11 Libyan_Jewish 11.58
12 Greek_Thessaly 11.83
13 Tuscan 11.85
14 Greek 12.11
15 Cyprian 13.66
16 Lebanese_Muslim 16.58
17 Syrian 17.22
18 North_Italian 18.37
19 Turkish 18.87
20 Bulgarian 19.3
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 36.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.14
2 59.8% Italian_Jewish + 40.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.26
3 54.5% Lebanese_Christian + 45.5% Portuguese @ 2.5
4 64.3% Tuscan + 35.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.66
5 52.5% East_Sicilian + 47.5% Italian_Jewish @ 2.72
6 53.3% North_Italian + 46.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.74
7 65.7% Cyprian + 34.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.79
8 56.1% Lebanese_Christian + 43.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.83
9 65% Cyprian + 35% Portuguese @ 2.86
10 57.2% Italian_Jewish + 42.8% Central_Greek @ 2.86
11 89.2% Italian_Jewish + 10.8% West_German @ 2.87
12 55.2% Lebanese_Christian + 44.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.87
13 91.2% Italian_Jewish + 8.8% Orcadian @ 2.88
14 91.1% Italian_Jewish + 8.9% North_Dutch @ 2.93
15 90.6% Italian_Jewish + 9.4% North_German @ 2.95
16 90.6% Italian_Jewish + 9.4% Southwest_English @ 2.95
17 55.9% Lebanese_Christian + 44.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.97
18 91.7% Italian_Jewish + 8.3% West_Norwegian @ 2.98
19 91.2% Italian_Jewish + 8.8% Irish @ 2.99
20 89.5% Italian_Jewish + 10.5% South_Dutch @ 2.99
This is someone from three towns in Reggio Calabria:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.35
2 West_Med 19.34
3 West_Asian 15.69
4 Atlantic 13.22
5 Red_Sea 10.9
6 North_Sea 4.61
7 Baltic 3.18
8 Eastern_Euro 1.54
9 Northeast_African 0.73
10 Oceanian 0.43
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jewish 4.98
2 Italian_Jewish 6.26
3 South_Italian 6.78
4 Algerian_Jewish 6.94
5 East_Sicilian 7.53
6 Central_Greek 8.81
7 Tunisian_Jewish 8.87
8 Ashkenazi 9.29
9 West_Sicilian 10.04
10 Italian_Abruzzo 10.59
11 Cyprian 11.26
12 Libyan_Jewish 12.01
13 Greek 14.05
14 Lebanese_Muslim 14.98
15 Syrian 15.25
16 Greek_Thessaly 15.25
17 Tuscan 15.33
18 Samaritan 16.96
19 Turkish 18.36
20 Jordanian 18.48
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.6% Sardinian @ 4.2
2 72.3% Sephardic_Jewish + 27.7% East_Sicilian @ 4.39
3 77% Sephardic_Jewish + 23% Central_Greek @ 4.42
4 70.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 29.8% South_Italian @ 4.48
5 94.9% Sephardic_Jewish + 5.1% Balkar @ 4.56
6 74.3% Cyprian + 25.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.57
7 75.7% Cyprian + 24.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.58
8 95.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 4.8% Ossetian @ 4.59
9 95.4% Sephardic_Jewish + 4.6% North_Ossetian @ 4.59
10 95.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 4.9% Kabardin @ 4.61
11 95.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 4.5% Chechen @ 4.62
12 75.4% Cyprian + 24.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.62
13 95.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 4.8% Adygei @ 4.62
14 95.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 4.2% Abhkasian @ 4.63
15 95.4% Sephardic_Jewish + 4.6% Georgian @ 4.64
16 72.8% Cyprian + 27.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.64
17 89.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 10.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.65
18 86.2% South_Italian + 13.8% Saudi @ 4.66
19 72.8% Cyprian + 27.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.67
20 89.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 10.5% Tuscan @ 4.67
And most results are similar to this.
This is someone from Kalymnos in the Dodecanese:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 32.14
2 West_Asian 18.61
3 West_Med 14.7
4 Atlantic 13.86
5 North_Sea 6.35
6 Baltic 5.6
7 Red_Sea 4.37
8 Eastern_Euro 1.93
9 South_Asian 1.76
10 Northeast_African 0.61
11 Siberian 0.09
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 5.41
2 Central_Greek 6.93
3 East_Sicilian 7.39
4 Sephardic_Jewish 7.72
5 Italian_Jewish 8.58
6 Italian_Abruzzo 8.96
7 Ashkenazi 9.16
8 Algerian_Jewish 9.78
9 West_Sicilian 10.16
10 Cyprian 10.73
11 Tunisian_Jewish 11.02
12 Greek 11.86
13 Lebanese_Muslim 13.54
14 Greek_Thessaly 13.75
15 Turkish 14.24
16 Libyan_Jewish 14.32
17 Syrian 15.45
18 Tuscan 15.63
19 Assyrian 18.08
20 Samaritan 18.15
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.9% South_Italian + 18.1% Kurdish @ 2.73
2 80.6% South_Italian + 19.4% Azeri @ 3.06
3 83.6% South_Italian + 16.4% Iranian @ 3.08
4 80.1% South_Italian + 19.9% Assyrian @ 3.11
5 64.8% West_Sicilian + 35.2% Assyrian @ 3.13
6 81.7% South_Italian + 18.3% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.17
7 81.5% South_Italian + 18.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.17
8 76.2% South_Italian + 23.8% Turkish @ 3.26
9 82.5% South_Italian + 17.5% Armenian @ 3.39
10 82.6% South_Italian + 17.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.51
11 67.2% West_Sicilian + 32.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.53
12 67.7% West_Sicilian + 32.3% Armenian @ 3.64
13 55.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 44.8% Cyprian @ 3.64
14 76.9% South_Italian + 23.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.75
15 70.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 29.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.82
16 67.2% West_Sicilian + 32.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.92
17 77.2% Central_Greek + 22.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.99
18 55.9% Tuscan + 44.1% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.02
19 70.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 29.1% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.06
20 84.2% South_Italian + 15.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.07
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Originally Posted by Hadouken
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