Where did haplogroup E1b1b in Europeans come from?

[Ion Basescul]

Does it basically say the same thing as this paper but in Russian?

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457

Of course not, it's a critique on how Westerners have no idea on how to differentiate between Scythians and local cultures or even Huns.

[Halgurd]

Of course not, it's a critique on how Westerners have no idea on how to differentiate between Scythians and local cultures or even Huns.

Yes that’s true. The Moldovan E-V13 lived thousands of years before the Scythians according to the date. It was most likely associated with the western Yamna culture.

[Daos777]

Of course not, it's a critique on how Westerners have no idea on how to differentiate between Scythians and local cultures or even Huns.

I'll read it when I have the time. But I'm specifically talking about that Moldovan E-V13 sample that they attributed to the Scythian culture even though it predates the Scythian or Daco-Getae culture unless they got the dating wrong. That sample has nothing to do directly with Dacians or Getae unless his descendants were the direct ancestors of Dacians. And attributing the other Scythians who had high neolithic admixture that gives them similarities to paleo-balkanites to Dacians based on their autosmal dna can also be wrong. They could have been direct descendants of yamnaya + neolithics and just happened to have higher neolithic admxiture but had no direct cultural ties to Dacians. That's all I'm saying. But I haven't read up much about this specific subject so I could be wrong.

[Ion Basescul]

I'll read it when I have the time. But I'm specifically talking about that Moldovan E-V13 sample that they attributed to the Scythian culture even though it predates the Scythian or Daco-Getae culture unless they got the dating wrong. That sample has nothing to do directly with Dacians or Getae unless his descendants where the direct ancestors of Dacians. And attributing the other Scythians who had high neolithic admixture that gives them similarities to paleo-balkanites to Dacians based on their autosmal dna can also be wrong. They could have been direct descendants of yamnaya + neolithics and just happened to have higher neolithic admxiture but had no direct cultural ties to Dacians. That's all I'm saying. But I haven't read up much about this specific subject so I could be wrong.

He predates them, but he's identical genetically to scy300 and scy305, who were identified as Geto-Thracians. It could be a coincidence or maybe he is their ancestor.

[VikLevaPatel]

What we know for certainty is that E1b1b carriers are very prone to criminal activities and Islam: Somalis, Albanians, Kosovars, North-Africans, etc. They are usually very ectomorph too for some reason.

Apparently Che Guevara belonged to haplogroup R1b. And he wasn't exactly a fairy-tale Prince of Peace.

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"Yes, my father killed – but revolutions are almost always violent," Guevara's daughter, who lives in Cuba, said in a speech in England.

Che: An assassin or a revolutionary?

My paternal haplogroup was reported as ‘R1b1a1a2a1a1c2a1’ which I was impressed to discover was easy to research online, and I quickly found my position on several Y DNA phylogenetic trees. My paternal migratory path with top-line info is shown below:

https://archive.is/VgiNZ#selection-1499.0-1499.252

Che Guevara, from Communist Firebrand to Capitalist Brand ... making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine.

https://archive.is/PIvc4

[E1b1b]

Origin of E-M35 lineages explained:

Ancestral North African, ANA(separated from OOA before basal Eurasians did)> Mushabian culture in North Africa, Eastern Africa>Mushabians migrating west (E-M78) forming the Iberomaurusians, Mushabians that migrated east into Levant mixed with local Kebaran culture to form natufians(E-Z827)> Cardialware culture that was found through Levant and North Africa > E-M78 Europe, or E-M78 could have entered Europe in the Mesolithic from Gibraltar.

[Gallop]

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V22/


The E-V22 and all its subclades look at all the European flags, there are more every day, look at the TMRCA dates.

A new user has just put England in first place. formed 8100 ybp, TMRCA 6200 ybp

[Leto]

Apparently Che Guevara belonged to haplogroup R1b. And he wasn't exactly a fairy-tale Prince of Peace.

3a-522x597-w1200@2x.jpg

"Yes, my father killed – but revolutions are almost always violent," Guevara's daughter, who lives in Cuba, said in a speech in England.

Che: An assassin or a revolutionary?

https://archive.is/VgiNZ#selection-1499.0-1499.252



https://archive.is/PIvc4

You are not E1b1b if FTDNA determined otherwise. Yet you trust some obscure-ass Australian company (I'm surprised it's not an Indian company, lol).

[Germaniac]

E-M81 is somewhat recent in Northwest Africa, having migrated from the Middle East/Northeast Africa. The Iberomaurusians being E-M78. The fact that the oldest E-L618 was found in Spain points to an entry through Gibraltar. It then mutated into E-V13 and spread east, and then it went through two huge bottlenecks in Central Europe and spread again from there. From then on it seems to be explained here well enough.

Furthermore, most recent studies point to DE, and then E*, having originated somewhere in the Middle East in a Proto-Caucasian population, and then entering Africa. The Saharan branches having stayed Caucasian, and the Subsaharan branches having conquered and mixed with original pigmy like Subsaharan A and B populations. Therefore, all this talk about E* or E1b1 being originally non-Caucasian is BS, mainly propagated to make Europeans feel less white and be more hospitable to non white migrants.

[reboun]

Natufians