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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabatea1 View Post
    Yes but they only left a linguistic and cultural influence, they did not leave a significant genetic impact. The majority of North Africans are just Arabic speaking Berbers.



    Chaldeans are just Catholic Assyrians. They live in Northern Iraq, originally they were Nestorian, but when they converted to Catholicism they were given the name Chaldean. Some though don't identify as Assyrian but as Chaldean, they speak neo-Aramaic.
    hmm... so if this not from the 11th arabs tribe invasion where do the j1 haplogroup among Maghrebi come from ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dark-mysterio View Post
    hmm... so if this not from the 11th arabs tribe invasion where do the j1 haplogroup among Maghrebi come from ?
    Partially some of it, but a lot of it came with the neolithic revolution
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabatea1 View Post
    Partially some of it, but a lot of it came with the neolithic revolution
    J1 and J2 are Bronze age, there aren't J even in neolithic levant.

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    Weaker than compared to some other populations sure but it’s still pretty strong. Arabization is the weakest amongst North Africans especially the further out west in the Maghreb. The people for whom arabization is the weakest of all is Maltese, they constantly live in denial of their own language.

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    There is a serious misunderstanding here to what the word Arab means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    A lot of Lebanese want to be White and French, I have seen it, and it's very amplified with the Christian ones.



    lol, Lebanese want to be Europeans more than anything lol, far more than the other groups there that's way.
    Maybe because they're Christian and they are historical enemies of Muslims... duh. Being of the same ethnicity doesn't make you brothers with someone. A lot of them talk to me about how Muslims slaughtered much of their famillies. I knew a Lebanese Orthodox and Greek Orthodox couple, trust me they're not that different.

    It has nothing to do with "whiteness" lmao, Christianity in the Middle East is older than Islam itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amoora View Post
    You’re exactly right. We say we’re Phoenicians. My family always taught me that.
    That is an genetical fact. Lebanese share much more DNA with Jewish people and other Levantine people than they share with Arabs from Saudi Arabia. The Arab conquers didn't assimilate to great extent with the local Lebanese population, just changed the local culture and religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florstadt View Post
    That is an genetical fact. Lebanese share much more DNA with Jewish people and other Levantine people than they share with Arabs from Saudi Arabia. The Arab conquers didn't assimilate to great extent with the local Lebanese population, just changed the local culture and religion.
    This is blatantly false. What’s the DNA they share? The majority of Lebanese are J1 and Semitic like other Arabs unlike Jews who are not J1 anymore. Clustering in a pca chart doesn’t equal to sharing DNA

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    I've heard that the Lebanese see themselves as descendants of the Phoenicians and identify as such, rather than as Arabs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kessaras View Post
    I've heard that the Lebanese see themselves as descendants of the Phoenicians and identify as such, rather than as Arabs.
    I have honestly never seen any Arab Christian, Lebanese or not, identify this way unironically in real life. People say they are descended from them, but this identity is not put above Arab... Arab is not a racial identity, it is not genetic, it is a shared cultural consciousness and sphere of influence. This 'Phoenicianism' was a nationalist identity people adopted because they did not want to be associated with Arab, but I see it as nonsensical... yes, many are similar genetically to ancient Phoenicians, but this identity has essentially been scrubbed away and is no longer relevant in the modern day. It is important to know your history, but I think to adopt this weird identity as a response to pan-Arabism has long fallen out of fashion. If someone does not want to call himself Arab, let him, but this is how he always will be seen so I see no point.
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