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Thread: Székelys - The last Turkic Warriors in Europe

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    I don't think the Szekelys were a Turkic people. Everything seems to point toward a Magyar (or Magyarized) origin, including the language. But they're just a bit more distinct from Hungary proper due to being split from them for a while.

    Turkic in the region was the Cumans/Pechenegs/Kipchaks/Bulgars. Some did settle in the region but not in Transylvania, mostly south of the mountains in the lowlands, or in the east. Some later were moved to Hungary, and a few went to Bulgaria and Macedonia (there's a town called Kumanovo I think).

    However the genetic impact of Turkics in the region is still very small overall. Like only around 4-5% or so in parts of Wallachia and roughly similar amounts in some neighboring countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovidiu View Post
    I don't think the Szekelys were a Turkic people. Everything seems to point toward a Magyar (or Magyarized) origin, including the language. But they're just a bit more distinct from Hungary proper due to being split from them for a while.

    Turkic in the region was the Cumans/Pechenegs/Kipchaks/Bulgars. Some did settle in the region but not in Transylvania, mostly south of the mountains in the lowlands, or in the east. Some later were moved to Hungary, and a few went to Bulgaria and Macedonia (there's a town called Kumanovo I think).
    As posted, the current facts show they are Turkic.

    I am 100% open to evidence so if you have anything else that dismisses the Turkic evidence in a significant way and actually gives a better idea of origin, then I'd like to see it.

    Otherwise the feeling alone means very little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turul Karom View Post
    As posted, the current facts show they are Turkic.

    I am 100% open to evidence so if you have anything else that dismisses the Turkic evidence in a significant way and actually gives a better idea of origin, then I'd like to see it.

    Otherwise the feeling alone means very little.
    No Neo-Cuman boy! You don't have genetic or linguistic evidence for the origin of that originally Transdanubian population. Why do you avoid the answer the question about the different (foreign Eastern European & Balkanic) material culture and civilization of your Cumania (Kunság) region?

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    Aah another gathering of Stallion Fuckers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stears View Post
    Scholarly theories about the origin of the Székelys (a subgroup of the Hungarian people) can be divided into four main groups. Medieval chronicles unanimously stated that the Székelys were descended from the Huns and settled in the Carpathian Basin centuries before the Hungarians (or Magyars) conquered the territory in the late 9th century. This theory is refuted by most modern specialists. According to a widely accepted modern hypothesis, the Székelys were originally a Turkic people who joined the Magyars in the Pontic steppes. Other scholars say, the Székelys were descended from the border guards of the Kingdom of Hungary who settled in the easternmost region of the Carpathian Basin and preserved their special privileges for centuries. According to a fourth theory, the Székelys' origin can be traced back to the Late Avar population of the Carpathian Basin.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin..._Sz%C3%A9kelys

    So there is no scientific consensus about Székely origin, but based on the dialect, they were transported from western Transdanubia in middle ages as the border guards to Transylvania.
    you are Szekely Turk

    Deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norka View Post
    Aah another gathering of Stallion Fuckers.
    Aren't Tartars Stallion fuckers as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Aren't Tartars Stallion fuckers as well
    Nah this is the difference


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    Magyars are Finno-Ugric. Not Turkic.

    With OP reasoning capabilities, Finns are also Turkic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
    Magyars are Finno-Ugric. Not Turkic.

    With OP reasoning capabilities, Finns are also Turkic.
    The problem is that Szekelys probably joined Magyars, but not originally one of them.

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