Sephardic Jew results - confusing me!

[RN97]

Take another look.. his Jewish side can be modeled that way.

That's not how it works

[Sikeliot]

That's not how it works

His Jewish side is autosomally similar to southern Italians. That is what it implies.

[Leto]

Ok, I have also completed the Eurogenes k13 and Dodecad K7b as advised

Here are the results:
Eurogenes k13;
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 7.467768
2 Romanian @ 9.022642
3 Bulgarian @ 10.882020
4 Moldavian @ 11.623930
5 Hungarian @ 12.895763
6 Croatian @ 13.750011
7 Austrian @ 16.833832
8 Greek_Thessaly @ 18.237162
9 East_German @ 18.579220
10 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 19.961161
11 South_Polish @ 20.772999
12 Ukrainian @ 21.516897
13 West_German @ 21.696796
14 North_Italian @ 21.860134
15 Tuscan @ 22.358044
16 French @ 22.898432
17 South_Dutch @ 23.474699
18 Tatar @ 23.490934
19 Southwest_Russian @ 24.354261
20 Polish @ 24.442081

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Algerian_Jewish +50% Finnish @ 4.594211


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian +25% Jordanian +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.107823


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Egyptian + Finnish + North_Italian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.358494
2 Egyptian + Finnish + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.406611
3 Egyptian + Finnish + North_Italian + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.458874
4 Croatian + Egyptian + Serbian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.469142
5 East_German + Egyptian + Finnish + Romanian @ 2.476300
6 Bulgarian + East_German + Egyptian + Finnish @ 2.490369
7 Egyptian + Finnish + North_Italian + Polish @ 2.494936
8 Egyptian + Finnish + North_Italian + Ukrainian @ 2.516191
9 Egyptian + Estonian + Greek_Thessaly + North_Swedish @ 2.541824
10 Egyptian + North_Swedish + Romanian + Ukrainian @ 2.556061
11 Bulgarian + Egyptian + North_Swedish + Ukrainian @ 2.565010
12 Egyptian + Estonian + Finnish + Tuscan @ 2.596581
13 Egyptian + Finnish + Hungarian + Serbian @ 2.605617
14 Egyptian + Lithuanian + Southwest_Finnish + Tuscan @ 2.610790
15 Egyptian + Finnish + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.614936
16 Egyptian + Finnish + Polish + Tuscan @ 2.622554
17 Egyptian + Estonian_Polish + Finnish + North_Italian @ 2.623140
18 Egyptian + North_Italian + Southwest_Finnish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.625164
19 Austrian + East_Finnish + Egyptian + Serbian @ 2.625543
20 Egyptian + North_Italian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Russian @ 2.628263

Done.


Dodecad k7b:
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanians_Behar @ 5.877858
2 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 6.104765
3 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 6.890681
4 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 8.034263
5 North_Italian_HGDP @ 9.898177
6 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 10.171319
7 Tuscan_HGDP @ 12.456216
8 TSI30_Metspalu @ 12.663816
9 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 13.589664
10 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 14.126943
11 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 14.749452
12 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 14.774673
13 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 14.834840
14 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 14.840900
15 Spaniards_Behar @ 14.912134
16 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 16.394388
17 Cataluna_1000Genomes @ 16.422285
18 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 16.509092
19 Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes @ 16.512970
20 Spanish_Dodecad @ 16.673662

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% FIN30_1000Genomes +50% Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 1.988826


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Canarias_1000Genomes +25% FIN30_1000Genomes +25% Kumyks_Yunusbayev @ 1.453874


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Canarias_1000Genomes + Palestinian_HGDP + Russian_HGDP + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.074181
2 Bedouin_HGDP + Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Mordovians_Yunusbayev @ 1.102336
3 Bedouin_HGDP + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Spanish_Dodecad @ 1.102345
4 Bedouin_HGDP + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Spaniards_Behar @ 1.109742
5 Bedouin_HGDP + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 1.117302
6 Canarias_1000Genomes + Palestinian_HGDP + Russian_HGDP + Russian_Dodecad @ 1.129798
7 Canarias_1000Genomes + Jordanians_Behar + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Russian_HGDP @ 1.151573
8 Baleares_1000Genomes + Bedouin_HGDP + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.163126
9 Canarias_1000Genomes + Jordanians_Behar + Russian_HGDP + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.191821
10 Canarias_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Palestinian_HGDP + Russian_Dodecad @ 1.197015
11 Baleares_1000Genomes + Bedouin_HGDP + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Russian_Dodecad @ 1.199836
12 Bedouin_HGDP + Extremadura_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.204482
13 Canarias_1000Genomes + Jordanians_Behar + Russian_HGDP + Russian_Dodecad @ 1.209096
14 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Bedouin_HGDP + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.228543
15 Bedouin_HGDP + Extremadura_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Russian_Dodecad @ 1.248430
16 Bedouin_HGDP + Finnish_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.258799
17 Aragon_1000Genomes + Bedouin_HGDP + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Mordovians_Yunusbayev @ 1.262855
18 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Bedouin_HGDP + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Russian_Dodecad @ 1.269106
19 Bedouin_HGDP + Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Mordovians_Yunusbayev @ 1.282015
20 Bedouin_HGDP + Galicia_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.290083

Done.

Why did you leave out the admixture estimates?

[Sp_loa]

I'm now even more confused, hehe! Why does it show now that I have Saudi and Egyptian Copt blood in me? To my knowledge, there isn't any of that in our family.

Welcome to the club of mix sephardim (:

You are probably not Bedouin or copt. All jews (with almost no exception) have Middle eastern DNA, Usually with most of it being Levantine. Almost all jewish groups are originated from the israelites of the levant.
As your DNA test reveals you are more than 20% middle easten (the ashkenazi jewish category already contains Middle eastern DNA so it's not only the 19%).
Gedmatch probably identify the Middle eastern DNA as Bedouin or copt. Nothing to be excited about. The 10% Iberian peninsula and the 5% Southern europe(never heard about this broad category) probably comes from your partly spanish origins of the sephardi side. I'm interested to see if I'm familiar with the surname of this side.
Anyway I think you should upload your raw data to as much calculators as possible- DNA.land, gencove, Myheritage (they actually have a reference of Moroccan sephardim, might be very useful in your case). When you get these results, upload here, or P.M me. Very interesting (:

[hep12]

Sorry my mistake,
Eurogenes k13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.32
2 North_Atlantic 24.29
3 East_Med 16.16
4 West_Med 12.44
5 West_Asian 6.18
6 Red_Sea 5.60
7 Northeast_African 3.38
8 Siberian 2.09
9 Oceanian 1.43
10 Amerindian 1.28


Dodecad k7b:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 53.97
2 Southern 22.12
3 West_Asian 16.78
4 Siberian 3.96
5 African 2.53

[RN97]

His Jewish side is autosomally similar to southern Italians. That is what it implies.

No, learn how these things work, you've been doing this for over 6 years now.
This is my results;
3 51.9% North_Swedish + 48.1% Tuscan @ 3.52

Hurr durr, my Romanian side must be Tuscan-like hurr durr.
Firstly 7.836487 is a huge distance for two pop. approximation. Not enough sufficient samples will always render a bad result for most. This is due to the way oracles work. They'll always try to find a match closest to you, so when you see
1 50% South_Finnish +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian
You might think that it works, but that distance is too big for 2 pop. approximation so what we see here is just lacking samples. I'm sure that north African jew + Finnish would have gotten her closer, but they don't seem to have that sample, or the sample is from a different kind of n. African jew than what she is. She also used oracles 4 which locks the percentages at 50%, I'm sure something like 70% Sicilian + 30% Finnish would have been closer.

[Leto]

Sorry my mistake,
Eurogenes k13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.32
2 North_Atlantic 24.29
3 East_Med 16.16
4 West_Med 12.44
5 West_Asian 6.18
6 Red_Sea 5.60
7 Northeast_African 3.38
8 Siberian 2.09
9 Oceanian 1.43
10 Amerindian 1.28


Dodecad k7b:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 53.97
2 Southern 22.12
3 West_Asian 16.78
4 Siberian 3.96
5 African 2.53

You do have some African admixture. And your Finnish father seems to be a Western Finn.

[hep12]

You do have some African admixture. And your Finnish father seems to be a Western Finn.

Actually my dad's side is Eastern Finn, from Karelia, which we lost in war and is now part of Russia. However, maybe before they settled there they came there from West? Hmm..very confusing!

[hep12]

Welcome to the club of mix sephardim (:

You are probably not Bedouin or copt. All jews (with almost no exception) have Middle eastern DNA, Usually with most of it being Levantine. Almost all jewish groups are originated from the israelites of the levant.
As your DNA test reveals you are more than 20% middle easten (the ashkenazi jewish category already contains Middle eastern DNA so it's not only the 19%).
Gedmatch probably identify the Middle eastern DNA as Bedouin or copt. Nothing to be excited about. The 10% Iberian peninsula and the 5% Southern europe(never heard about this broad category) probably comes from your partly spanish origins of the sephardi side. I'm interested to see if I'm familiar with the surname of this side.
Anyway I think you should upload your raw data to as much calculators as possible- DNA.land, gencove, Myheritage (they actually have a reference of Moroccan sephardim, might be very useful in your case). When you get these results, upload here, or P.M me. Very interesting (:

Thanks for the tips! Will definitely try to do those calculators. I am wondering though, could it be that my Berber side shows up as Bedouin by any chance? As I am pretty sure that my maternal grandmother's side (Moroccan) shows up as those Spanish roots but my grandfather's Berber side is probably those Bedouin dnas? Tbh, I do not know much about Berber Jews.

[Sp_loa]

Thanks for the tips! Will definitely try to do those calculators. I am wondering though, could it be that my Berber side shows up as Bedouin by any chance? As I am pretty sure that my maternal grandmother's side (Moroccan) shows up as those Spanish roots but my grandfather's Berber side is probably those Bedouin dnas? Tbh, I do not know much about Berber Jews.

Are they pure Amazighs? Are they Berber jews or berber? Jews are a distinct group. Polish jewish aren't genetically polish and Moroccan jewish aren't genetically berber.
You score 3% North africa- That's nothing! even Your mom scores probably around the 6%. I score 16% Berber lol. Upload your DNA to Myheritage and DNA.land (And gencove). It will give you a better image.

I need to know your moroccan side surnames in order to make a better research. I am very familiar with Megrahbi jews surnames, and Sephardi jews surnames. I can have my research to get a better image.
PM me the surnames (more you know the better) or just write it here.