East Asians, Vietnamese, and Indians score highest

[zhaoyun]

Vietnamese are the only SE Asians who are culturally East Asian. I see them as the cousins to Cantonese people tbh.

[Fractal]

Californian test scores show differences between different Asian ethnicities of various ages. Generally, East Asians, Vietnamese, and Indians score above whites and other Asians.


https://randomcriticalanalysis.wordp...ethnic-groups/

Some comparisons:

I'm not gonna speak for East Asians - not my people .

But Indians definitely score the highest in California . Saratoga High School or Mission San Jose in Northern California have the highest SAT scores, highest AP Calculus and Physics enrollment, lowest drop out rates, etc..

[zhaoyun]

I'm not gonna speak for East Asians - not my people .

But Indians definitely score the highest in California . Saratoga High School or Mission San Jose in Northern California have the highest SAT scores, highest AP Calculus and Physics enrollment, lowest drop out rates, etc..

Both Chinese and Indian Americans score very high. Who actually scores higher, probably depends on the place and subject.

[DaiViet]

Vietnamese are the only SE Asians who are culturally East Asian. I see them as the cousins to Cantonese people tbh.

I think the process of cultural sinicization began as early as 2nd century BC when Nanyue absorbed what is present-day northern Vietnam and continued when the territory became a southern province to successive Chinese Dynasties from Han all the way to Tang.

Even after Annam’s (Vietnam) independence post-Tang, the tradition of Imperial Examinations continued until its abolishment by the French in the 20th century. Vietnam was the last country to abandon Confucian Imperial Exams with the last one taking place in 1919.

Below is an early 20th century photo of Vietnamese scholar officials from Nguyen Dynasty.



As with other Sinospheric cultures, the legacy of academic accomplishments being held in high esteem continues today.

[Fractal]

Or they have culture that emphasizes academic achievement.

Yes. Funny how people discuss IQ and not the culture.

The reason why Whites and Latinos are dumber than Indians or Vietnamese in the USA is simply because their cultures doesn't emphasize academics as much.

But I've noticed the Vietnamese-Americans are lower on the socioeconomic scale than the Koreans and Chinese, why is that? They are just as intelligent it seems and have the same culture.

[zhaoyun]

I think the process of cultural sinicization began as early as 2nd century BC when Nanyue absorbed what is present-day northern Vietnam and continued when the territory became a southern province to successive Chinese Dynasties from Han all the way to Tang.

Even after Annam’s (Vietnam) independence post-Tang, the tradition of Imperial Examinations continued until its abolishment by the French in the 20th century. Vietnam was the last country to abandon Confucian Imperial Exams with the last one taking place in 1919.

Below is an early 20th century photo of Vietnamese scholar officials from Nguyen Dynasty.



As with other Sinospheric cultures, the legacy of academic accomplishments being held in high esteem continues today.

Honestly, Vietnam was well on the way to becoming another Han Chinese province, all of the Southern Chinese provinces went through the same process. But Vietnam fought hard for its independence and that's why it is an independent country today.

[zhaoyun]

Yes. Funny how people discuss IQ and not the culture.

The reason why Whites and Latinos are dumber than Indians or Vietnamese in the USA is simply because their cultures doesn't emphasize academics as much.

But I've noticed the Vietnamese-Americans are lower on the socioeconomic scale than the Koreans and Chinese, why is that? They are just as intelligent it seems and have the same culture.

Vietnam is poorer than China and Korea. But it's developing rapidly now. I think over time the differences will disappear with the 2nd and 3rd generation Viets because they are pretty hardworking and entrepreneurial.

Yeah, I agree. IQ comes from culture primarily, not from genetics.

[DaiViet]

Majority of Vietnamese immigrants to the US were war refugees rather than graduate students or working professionals. The current household income is about the same level as Koreans in America, who also tend to be newer immigrants.

In regards to Vietnam’s economic development, after the war US placed an economic embargo on Vietnam, and this wasn’t lifted until 1997. It was only a few years ago that Vietnam’s GDP/capita surpassed India’s.

To put things into proper perspective, remember China started their economic reforms in late 1970’s, so it took China nearly 40 years to get to where they are today, and the pace really picked up about 15-20 years ago. Development takes time.

[zhaoyun]

Majority of Vietnamese immigrants to the US were war refugees rather than graduate students or working professionals. The current household income is about the same level as Koreans in America, who also tend to be newer immigrants.

In regards to Vietnam’s economic development, after the war US placed an economic embargo on Vietnam, and this wasn’t lifted until 1997. It was only a few years ago that Vietnam’s GDP/capita exceeded India’s.

To put things into proper perspective, remember China had reformed their economy in late 1970’s, so it took China nearly 40 years to get to where they are today, and the pace really picked up about 10 years ago. Development takes time.

I'm pretty sure in 30 years, Vietnam will be the most powerful SE Asian country because of the Confucian culture that none of the others have (except tiny Singapore)

[DaiViet]

Honestly, Vietnam was well on the way to becoming another Han Chinese province, all of the Southern Chinese provinces went through the same process. But Vietnam fought hard for its independence and that's why it is an independent country today.

A lot of Vietnamese nationalists would deny this fact, but rebellion was not at all unique to Annam. Look at the list of rebellions here. It’s not even close to a comprehensive list:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...lions_in_China

Going off on a tangent here, but I’d like to elaborate on this issue.

Territorial fracture was common after the collapse of each Chinese Dynasty. For a period of over 75 years after Tang dissolved, its former territories were fractured into multiple pieces controlled by different warlords. Present-day northern Vietnam was one of them (then known as Annam). Annam was originally a part of Southern Han territory but broke off from them. When the Song Dynasty grew in prominence and started to reabsorb the other territories, Annam was able to resist this process through superior military tactics. The rest is history.

Map of China after Tang broke into pieces:



Vietnam exists as an artifact of history rather than some long-held nationalistic struggle that most Vietnamese falsely believe.