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    Quote Originally Posted by DaiViet View Post
    A lot of Vietnamese nationalists would deny this fact, but rebellion was not at all unique to Annam. Look at the list of rebellions here. It’s not even close to a comprehensive list:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...lions_in_China

    Going off on a tangent here, but I’d like to elaborate on this issue.

    Territorial fracture was common after the collapse of each Chinese Dynasty. For a period of over 75 years after Tang dissolved, its former territories were fractured into multiple pieces controlled by different warlords. Present-day northern Vietnam was one of them (then known as Annam). Annam was originally a part of Southern Han territory but broke off from them. When the Song Dynasty grew in prominence and started to reabsorb the other territories, Annam was able to resist this process through superior military tactics. The rest is history.

    Map of China after Tang broke into pieces:



    Vietnam exists as an artifact of history rather than some long-held nationalistic struggle that most Vietnamese falsely believe.
    Yeah I am well aware of that history. China is the only civilization to have constantly fallen apart and reunited. Yes, many of the former kingdoms that make up different provinces of China rebelled at one point or another. But Vietnam managed to become independent. I think it's a result of it's very Southern location and also the fact that Vietnamese are very resilient and stubborn fighters. Either way, Vietnam would've ended up as a more Southern Guangdong if it had stayed a part of China. The Cantonese are basically the Han version of the Vietnamese IMO.

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    Back to the topic of academic test comparisons. Here is a list of top ranking of math scores (Quant) on the GRE by country. For those who are not familiar with the GRE, it’s the standardized exam used by graduate schools to assess a candidate’s entrance qualifications.

    1. China
    2. Taiwan
    3. Hong Kong
    4. Singapore
    5. S. Korea
    6. Vietnam
    7. Turkey
    8. Japan
    9. Iran
    10. France

    Source: https://gnxp.nofe.me/2017/11/09/patt...al-gre-scores/




    Verbal scores seem to be directly related to English language proficiency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaiViet View Post
    Back to the topic of academic test comparisons. Here is a list of top ranking of math scores (Quant) on the GRE by country. For those who are not familiar with the GRE, it’s the standardized exam used by graduate schools to assess a candidate’s entrance qualifications.

    1. China
    2. Taiwan
    3. Hong Kong
    4. Singapore
    5. S. Korea
    6. Vietnam
    7. Turkey
    8. Japan
    9. Iran
    10. France

    Source: https://gnxp.nofe.me/2017/11/09/patt...al-gre-scores/




    Verbal scores seem to be directly related to English language proficiency.
    So these are primary candidates for graduate schools in the US correct? It's not really a reflection of the general population of those countries then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhaoyun View Post
    So these are primary candidates for graduate schools in the US correct? It's not really a reflection of the general population of those countries then.
    It’s a reflection of students who have already completed their bachelors from each country. They’re not necessarily primary candidates for graduate schools, but only making an attempt to get accepted. Interesting comparison nevertheless.

    East Asian undergraduate schools clearly have greater focus on development of quantitative skills.
    Last edited by DaiViet; 12-03-2017 at 06:55 PM.

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    2017 Math/Chemistry/Physics Olympiad Rankings (out of over 100 countries):

    International Mathematics Olympiad
    1. South Korea
    2. China
    3. Vietnam

    International Chemistry Olympiad
    1. Taiwan
    2. USA
    3. Vietnam/China (tied)

    International Physics Olympiad
    1. Singapore
    2. Russia
    3. South Korea
    4. China
    5. Vietnam


    http://imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaiViet View Post
    2017 Math/Chemistry/Physics Olympiad Rankings (out of over 100 countries):

    International Mathematics Olympiad
    1. South Korea
    2. China
    3. Vietnam

    International Chemistry Olympiad
    1. Taiwan
    2. USA
    3. Vietnam/China (tied)

    International Physics Olympiad
    1. Singapore
    2. Russia
    3. South Korea
    4. China
    5. Vietnam


    http://imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2017
    Vietnam does disproportionately well in these competitions relative to its development level, which adds to my belief that it will definitely be the rising star in Southeast Asia.

    Aside from Singapore, you won't see any of the other SE Asian countries up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazou View Post
    Vietnamese have the highest Genotypic-IQ I believe: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/genetics...d-convergence/
    I having difficulty telling the difference between phenotypic IQ and genotypic IQ. Can someone please explain it to me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    I having difficulty telling the difference between phenotypic IQ and genotypic IQ. Can someone please explain it to me?
    First off, I wouldn’t take that blog post too seriously.

    To answer your question though, phenotype is impacted by environment whereas genotype reveals potential based on genetic makeup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaiViet View Post
    First off, I wouldn’t take that blog post too seriously.

    To answer your question though, phenotype is impacted by environment whereas genotype reveals potential based on genetic makeup.
    It would be pretty cool and interesting if 23andme provided some type of report for our exact genotypic-IQ. I'm curious if there are any other third-party sites or apps which can provide this info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazou View Post
    It would be pretty cool and interesting if 23andme provided some type of report for our exact genotypic-IQ. I'm curious if there are any other third-party sites or apps which can provide this info.
    Well a number of papers have found SNP’s associated with IQ, but they only account for a few points of difference. There hasn’t been any findings yet that have identified genes that control more than this.

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