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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    If he made that description of the people that were "employing" him then we can be sure that he wasn't being biased because usually people would do the opposite to gain the good will of their bosses.
    Not necessarily. People do not always have a good impression for their employers. Probably, since he committed suicide, he had some personal problems.

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    I would also commit suicide if I was surrounded by Labs/Labradors for more than 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    Nuk ke marrė vesh gjė fare ti. Ky e ka pasur kunjėn me ne sepse do ti kenė rėnė kokės kur ka qenė kėtej. Ne i respektojmė ata qė meritojnė respekt. Po e pamė qė tjetri ėshtė bythqir, po tė futėm nė dorė ore ti, ne tė shkėrdhejmė jo ēa tė mban lista e dasmės, por ēa tė mban lista e vdekjes. Ky tipi, me siguri ka shkelur diku gabim dhe do t'ja kenė qirė nėnėn mirė. E ke parasysh tani?
    Δεν είμαι Αλβανός, οι γονείς μου είναι απο τα Γιάννενα. Μιλάς ελληνικά?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    Because he does. His views on Ghegs are less harsher but when he writes about his general notions on the Albanians he is once again extremely negative and Ghegs are Albanian the last time I checked.
    He doesn't have a single bad word about the Ghegs. His general notions are general, meaning it doesn't necessarily apply to the Ghegs, and particularly not when it more or less stands in contrast to his description of the Ghegs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wayfarer View Post
    I would also commit suicide if I was surrounded by Labs/Labradors for more than 5 minutes.
    Your ancestors served with respect to the Labs. And they were really good servants, i have to admit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wayfarer View Post
    Δεν είμαι Αλβανός, οι γονείς μου είναι απο τα Γιάννενα. Μιλάς ελληνικά?
    And?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Abubu View Post
    He doesn't have a single bad word about the Ghegs. His general notions are general, meaning it doesn't necessarily apply to the Ghegs, and particularly not when it more or less stands in contrast to his description of the Ghegs.
    His description of Ghegs is succinct and portrays mostly their character. On his general notions he makes a more broadly depiction of Albanians in general, including daily life costumes, what they eat, how they live, their houses, clothing, etiquette, pastimes, music, etc. His perception is very negative and I don't see why Ghegs shouldn't be encompassed in it. Ghegs being less dirty according to him doesn't necessarily mean they were not dirty. Just less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wayfarer View Post
    Μιλάς ελληνικά?
    Εχει γραψει λιγα λογια

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    His description of Ghegs is succinct and portrays mostly their character. On his general notions he makes a more broadly depiction of Albanians in general, including daily life costumes, what they eat, how they live, their houses, clothing, etiquette, pastimes, music, etc. His perception is very negative and I don't see why Ghegs shouldn't be encompassed in it. Ghegs being less dirty according to him doesn't necessarily mean they were not dirty. Just less.
    He is one of many Europeans who visited or lived in the region. Sometimes people are influenced from their personal experiences. What count is history. And according to history, his employer Ali Pasha, together with his compatriots(because Ali Pasha was a Lab) said no to the most powerful man of his time, Napoleon Bonaparte, when the Corsican was at the top of his power and the whole Europe was at his knees. Not only this, but he attacked and invaded different coastal cities in Epir that were under French control.
    Meanwhile your country, at the same time :
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal#Napoleonic_era

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    His description of Ghegs is succinct and portrays mostly their character. On his general notions he makes a more broadly depiction of Albanians in general, including daily life costumes, what they eat, how they live, their houses, clothing, etiquette, pastimes, music, etc. His perception is very negative and I don't see why Ghegs shouldn't be encompassed in it. Ghegs being less dirty according to him doesn't necessarily mean they were not dirty. Just less.
    Oh, so you mean your whole point is about the living standards of the place? Character on the other hand means nothing... Really pathetic mindset.

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