Nordic is not a dipegmented Mediterranean, Southern Europeans are mixed with Nordic

[Grab the Gauge]

1.) Nordic genes for depigmentation come from Central Asia, not Europe or West Asia (where the Mediterranean race lived). The first population to carrynthese genes was phylogeneticaly connected to Amerindians, not Meds. No tested remains in West Eurasia have had blond hair genes prior to 8,000 years B.C. In central Asia blond hair is at least 16,000 years old.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afonto...fontova_Gora_3

Phenotypic analysis shows that Afontova Gora 3 carries the derived rs12821256 allele associated with blond hair color in Europeans, making Afontova Gora 3 the earliest individual known to carry this derived allele.[15]

2.) Mediterraneans lack the genes for lactose tolerance and tall stature which differentiate Nordics from Mediterraneans. These genes, like the genes for blond hair, come from north Central Asia, where there are no Meds.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...odern-man.html



3.) Y-DNA analysis has confirmed that Southwestern Europeans have admixture from Nordics, which they got from Bronze Age and Iron Age invaders. Therefore, any cranial similarities which are not coincidental between Northern and Southern Europeans are entirely due to admixture with Indo-Europeans. Mediterraneans have cranial similarities with the least specialized Nordics (such as Halstatt), while lacking the metabolic genes which truly define the Nordic race and are now traced to its Siberian homeland (lactose tolerance, blond hair).


4.) There are a number of cranial and dental (non-mendelian) dissimilarities between Meds and Nordics that are not reflected in binary metrical measurements.

5.) Northern and Southern Europeans are genetically different from eachother and do not form a single population the way other races (such as East Asians) do.

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetic...l.pgen.0020143

6.) Northern Europeans have genetic affinities to Amerindians, which is lacking in pure Meds.

7.) Nordics lack any copies of genes for malaria resistance (which Meds have), or susceptibility to Med diseases such as Kaposi's sarcoma. Despite the fact that malaria was, until relatively recently, widespread across Europe from North to South, and West Eurasia.


Tldr; Nordics are highly evolved depigmented Amerindians from Siberia with some Med admixture (among other things), not depigmented Meds.

Meds are depigmented Middle Easterners and who have some Nordic, and other admixtures.

[Hamlet]

1.) Nordic genes for depigmentation come from Central Asia, not Europe or West Asia (where the Mediterranean race lived). The first population to carrynthese genes was phylogeneticaly connected to Amerindians, not Meds. No tested remains in West Eurasia have had blond hair genes prior to 8,000 years B.C. In central Asia blond hair is at least 16,000 years old.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afonto...fontova_Gora_3




2.) Mediterraneans lack the genes for lactose tolerance and tall stature which differentiate Nordics from Mediterraneans. These genes, like the genes for blond hair, come from north Central Asia, where there are no Meds.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...odern-man.html



3.) Y-DNA analysis has confirmed that Southwestern Europeans have admixture from Nordics, which they got from Bronze Age and Iron Age invaders. Therefore, any cranial similarities which are not coincidental between Northern and Southern Europeans are entirely due to admixture with Indo-Europeans. Mediterraneans have cranial similarities with the least specialized Nordics (such as Halstatt), while lacking the metabolic genes which truly define the Nordic race and are now traced to its Siberian homeland (lactose tolerance, blond hair).


4.) There are a number of cranial and dental (non-mendelian) dissimilarities between Meds and Nordics that are not reflected in binary metrical measurements.

5.) Northern and Southern Europeans are genetically different from eachother and do not form a single population the way other races (such as East Asians) do.

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetic...l.pgen.0020143

6.) Northern Europeans have genetic affinities to Amerindians, which is lacking in pure Meds.

7.) Nordics lack any copies of genes for malaria resistance (which Meds have), or susceptibility to Med diseases such as Kaposi's sarcoma. Despite the fact that malaria was, until relatively recently, widespread across Europe from North to South, and West Eurasia.


Tldr; Nordics are highly evolved depigmented Amerindians from Siberia with some Med admixture (among other things), not depigmented Meds.

Meds are depigmented Middle Easterners and who have some Nordic, and other admixtures.

Troll?

[Pahli]

He is right though, ANE carried alleles for light skin and light hair, it was passed on to EHG and CHG (Both are heavily ANE mixed) who then passed it on to neighbouring populations

[Hamlet]

He is right though, ANE carried alleles for light skin and light hair, it was passed on to EHG and CHG (Both are heavily ANE mixed) who then passed it on to neighbouring populations

I agree with that lol, I had a debate with Token where I was arguing that (but with SHG and EHG). But Gauge is going too far here.

[Marmara]

1.) Nordic genes for depigmentation come from Central Asia, not Europe or West Asia (where the Mediterranean race lived). The first population to carrynthese genes was phylogeneticaly connected to Amerindians, not Meds. No tested remains in West Eurasia have had blond hair genes prior to 8,000 years B.C. In central Asia blond hair is at least 16,000 years old.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afonto...fontova_Gora_3




2.) Mediterraneans lack the genes for lactose tolerance and tall stature which differentiate Nordics from Mediterraneans. These genes, like the genes for blond hair, come from north Central Asia, where there are no Meds.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...odern-man.html



3.) Y-DNA analysis has confirmed that Southwestern Europeans have admixture from Nordics, which they got from Bronze Age and Iron Age invaders. Therefore, any cranial similarities which are not coincidental between Northern and Southern Europeans are entirely due to admixture with Indo-Europeans. Mediterraneans have cranial similarities with the least specialized Nordics (such as Halstatt), while lacking the metabolic genes which truly define the Nordic race and are now traced to its Siberian homeland (lactose tolerance, blond hair).


4.) There are a number of cranial and dental (non-mendelian) dissimilarities between Meds and Nordics that are not reflected in binary metrical measurements.

5.) Northern and Southern Europeans are genetically different from eachother and do not form a single population the way other races (such as East Asians) do.

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetic...l.pgen.0020143

6.) Northern Europeans have genetic affinities to Amerindians, which is lacking in pure Meds.

7.) Nordics lack any copies of genes for malaria resistance (which Meds have), or susceptibility to Med diseases such as Kaposi's sarcoma. Despite the fact that malaria was, until relatively recently, widespread across Europe from North to South, and West Eurasia.


Tldr; Nordics are highly evolved depigmented Amerindians from Siberia with some Med admixture (among other things), not depigmented Meds.

Meds are depigmented Middle Easterners and who have some Nordic, and other admixtures.

Nordic or Nordid? Nordics score Amerindian because of Lappid, which comes from Finno-Ugric people who are originally mongoloid.

[Grab the Gauge]

Nordic or Nordid? Nordics score Amerindian because of Lappid, which is coming from Finno-Ugric people who are originally mongoloid.

Incorrect. All Northwestern Europeans have affinities with Amerindians due to increased ANE ties, and the haplogroups R1, reliably proven to come from an Amerindian-like source (lacking the East Eurasian admixture Amerindians now have), and are also found in modern Amerindians. It has nothing to do with Finno Ugrics, but with Proto-Indo-Europeans.

[Ancap]

Kinda obvious
Depigmented meds are north atlantids

[Pahli]

Incorrect. All Northwestern Europeans have affinities with Amerindians due to increased ANE ties, and the haplogroups R1, are reliably proven to come from an Amerindian-like source (lacking the East Eurasian admixture Amerindians now have), and are also found in modern Amerindians.

Btw, weren't ANE dominantly West Eurasian with some East Eurasian admixture? At least according to samples we have.

[Marmara]

Incorrect. All Northwestern Europeans have affinities with Amerindians due to increased ANE ties, and the haplogroups R1, reliably proven to come from an Amerindian-like source (lacking the East Eurasian admixture Amerindians now have), and are also found in modern Amerindians. It has nothing to do with Finno Ugrics, but with Proto-Indo-Europeans.

Turks also score Amerindian as far as i know, what about that?

[Grab the Gauge]

Btw, weren't ANE dominantly West Eurasian with some East Eurasian admixture? At least according to samples we have.

I don't know if anyone has been able to put the finger on exactly what it is, because the term "West Eurasian" as a phylo-geographical genetic concept becomes problematic when we divide a contient like Eurasia in two, while ignoring that one segment (in this case, the one that is apparently, genetically, the closest to ANE) has migrated to another continent (America).

If MA-1 and Afontova Gora are considered as ANE, they appear to be closest to Karitiana (Amerindians), without the East Eurasian admixture now found in Amerindians.

The individual showed close genetic affinities to Mal'ta 1 (Mal'ta boy).[14] Afontova Gora 2 also showed more genetic affinity for the Karitiana people versus Han Chinese.[14] Around 1.9-2.7% of the genome was Neanderthal in origin.[12]

In this sense, ANE is predominantly West Eurasian, although the people who have the most ancestry from ANE are now on the other side of the world and mixed with East Eurasians. I prefer to just refer to ANE as "Amerindian".