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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Tuuri is a Germanic loanword and could have been an alternate name of Ukko. Ukko is not Odin and seems to be most similar to Thor. There's also a good chance that Ukko came from Indo-Europeans.
    how come they didn't adopt their language. What if Slavic mythology was adopted from the Finno-ugric tribes in Russia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    how come they didn't adopt their language. What if Slavic mythology was adopted from the Finno-ugric tribes in Russia?
    There was IE influence, but not that much. Scandinavia had a better habitat than Finland did, so people had less of a reason to migrate there.

    If Slavic mythology was adopted from Finno-Ugric tribes, then they should have equivalents in each other's religions. Since Ukko has equivalents in other IE religions but not in other Uralic ones (afaik), it's most likely from IE religions.

    There is this one deity that could have gone to East Slavic paganism from Uralic mythology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Woman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    There was IE influence, but not that much. Scandinavia had a better habitat than Finland did, so people had less of a reason to migrate there.

    If Slavic mythology was adopted from Finno-Ugric tribes, then they should have equivalents in each other's religions. Since Ukko has equivalents in other IE religions but not in other Uralic ones (afaik), it's most likely from IE religions.

    There is this one deity that could have gone to East Slavic paganism from Uralic mythology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Woman
    Slavic totems remind me of native Indian totems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    The core of the religon was IE though
    Of course

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    Deus ex machina

    Deus ex machina (Latin: [ˈdeʊs ɛks ˈmaː.kʰɪ.naː]: /ˈdeɪ.əs ɛks ˈmɑːkiːnə/ or /ˈdiːəs ɛks ˈmækɪnə/;[1] plural: dei ex machina; English ‘god from the machine’) is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem in a story is suddenly and abruptly resolved by an unexpected and seemingly unlikely occurrence, typically so much as to seem contrived.[2][3] Its function can be to resolve an otherwise irresolvable plot situation, to surprise the audience, to bring the tale to a happy ending, or act as a comedic device.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Finnish mythology can be considered native European I guess.

    Odin definitely isn't from Finnish mythology, he's a native Germanic figure. He's mentioned in Proto-Germanic and all Germanic mythologies whereas there are no references of him as even a minor god in any Uralic mythologies.

    Very right. Scandinavians and Finns pagan religions have some similarities, but still Finns mythology differed a lot of Vikings.

    Finns pagan Gods were more spiritual/shamanism figures vs. Vikings or Greeks Gods which were described like humans (their bodies, looks etc.).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Tuuri is a Germanic loanword and could have been an alternate name of Ukko. Ukko is not Odin and seems to be most similar to Thor. There's also a good chance that Ukko came from Indo-Europeans.

    Ukko Ylijumala had a hammer (like Thor ... just a different shape) ... and was same ways connected to thunder and lightning like Thor. But over all ... still very different.

    His position among of Gods of Finns was like Odin in Vikings (or Zeus in Greeks) in Finns mythology. He was number one ... before Ahti, Tapio, Ilmarinen, Tursas, Vellamo etc.

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    Slavic mythology definitely native to Eastern Europe in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Some Etruscan deities are IE (especially Greek), but a lot of them seem to be native as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ogical_figures
    That's because Greeks also inhabited Etruria and had brought their ancestry worship with them to Etruria.

    Etruria was inhabited by a dozen of unrelated tribes, some of them were Greek, like the Pelasgians who founded Tyrrhenian Athens in Etruria, some were non Greek like the Tyrrhenians, etc. The first Roman king to originate from Etruria, Tarquinus was actually a Corinthian Greek. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luci...uinius_Priscus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Or were they all brought to Europe with indo-Europeans such as Slavic Native Faith, Celtic and nordic Paganism, Roman/Greek etc
    the indo-europeans originated in what is still considered europe, around Ukraine, and southwestern russia

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