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    Quote Originally Posted by UltimatePagan View Post
    Shamanism
    dubious claim, Druidism wasn't shamanism, and neither was Norse myth. Only Uralic religions are shamanistic in Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOldNorth View Post
    dubious claim, Druidism wasn't shamanism, and neither was Norse myth. Only Uralic religions are shamanistic in Europe
    True but many Euros worshipped animal spirits call it what you wish though it's just spiritualism I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltimatePagan View Post
    True but many Euros worshipped animal spirits call it what you wish though it's just spiritualism I guess
    they didn't worship them unless it was in the form of gods

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOldNorth View Post
    they didn't worship them unless it was in the form of gods
    Only certain animals were worshipped

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOldNorth View Post
    first off there is no evidence of child sacrifice in any native European pagan religion, there is evidence of this evil however in Semitic pre-abrahamic religions. In Celtic paganism for example, though we know little of it do to the exaggerations of Romans, and the Celts being mostly illiterate do to the druidic belief that memory is more powerful then writing, we know that sacrifices were rare, and when they did occur, they were mostly criminals restoring their honor by sacrifice or volunteers who wanted to send messages to the gods. The only reason roman sources say that these were more common in say Inis Mona during the invasion of Britain, was the sheer desperateness of their situation.
    In Germanic paganism, human sacrifice was also rare, and tended to be the death of noblemen and great warriors by hanging and being stabbed with a spear to appease Odin to win a war. Thor however, the god most people worshiped, appeared to need no sacrifices except that of animals. The one source by Adam of Bremen of 9 men being sacrificed was likely to make the pagans look more barbaric, as all other sources deny such claims, and Adams accounts of germanic folklore is only loosely like actual norse myth.
    Firstly, you say there is no evidence of child sacrifice in native European religions, and then in the next paragraph you say "In Germanic paganism, human sacrifice was also rare". Hmm... Germanics are not European? Or what?

    Pagan enthusiasts love to rail against "Semitic religions". I don't care about Semitic religions, it's irrelevant. Jesus Christ is the Lord and King of European civilization, and his kingdom is enshrined in our culture, rightfully. Because he is the only truth that there is.

    Accept Jesus and discard this pagan nonsense, which will only drag you to eternal damnation in hell. It's no joke. I will absolutely not promote this dangerous nonsense on my forum again, having realised how damaging it can be to one's salvation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOldNorth View Post
    dubious claim, Druidism wasn't shamanism, and neither was Norse myth. Only Uralic religions are shamanistic in Europe

    So maybe that is the answer to OP.
    Last edited by Finnish Swede; 09-04-2019 at 12:43 AM.

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    There was a scholarly article written about shamanism in Norse myth. The Norse had two different kinds of magic i.e. Seidr, which was typically considered women's magic and was generally thought unfit for a man to practice due to its hidden, secretive nature and Galdr which was more typically employed by men and was a form of ritual singing. Odin learned Seidr from Freya and took the form of animals and a woman, and he also went to the realm of the dead. So, to say that shamanism didn't exist among the Norse, I'm not so sure.

    If you can find a full copy of this text, it discusses Norse shamanism. https://www.scribd.com/document/2554...orse-Tradition

    I don't see why the Norse wouldn't have had some sort of shamanism considering that the Berserkrs were able to work themselves into an ecstatic frenzy when they went into battle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Firstly, you say there is no evidence of child sacrifice in native European religions, and then in the next paragraph you say "In Germanic paganism, human sacrifice was also rare". Hmm... Germanics are not European? Or what?

    Pagan enthusiasts love to rail against "Semitic religions". I don't care about Semitic religions, it's irrelevant. Jesus Christ is the Lord and King of European civilization, and his kingdom is enshrined in our culture, rightfully. Because he is the only truth that there is.

    Accept Jesus and discard this pagan nonsense, which will only drag you to eternal damnation in hell. It's no joke. I will absolutely not promote this dangerous nonsense on my forum again, having realised how damaging it can be to one's salvation.
    I said human not child, because unlike canaanites who sacrificed newborns to Ba'al, only grown men could die for Odin. I'm trying to discuss this from a non-bias point of view, which you clearly are not, so why am I even replying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltimatePagan View Post
    Only certain animals were worshipped
    the only animal worship I've heard of in non uralic europe is gods like Artio amongst the alpine celts or Epona from the gaulish celts, but both are in the form of a goddess

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