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    Lightbulb Please discuss; Ancient haplogroup(s) migration or OOA ...

    I came to know that my mtdna is M30g and it is found more frequently in South Asia and in a very very less frequent in Middle East & North Africa. Here is the thing, could my mtdna/maternal line /population that left Africa around 50,000-60,000 years ago indigenous and passed through some parts of Yemen and adjacent areas, and then reached south Asian subcontinent through the Indian Ocean do exit until now in Yemen . You can check MFTDNA results also, I mean something like before the ancient caucasoid waves (I believe originated some where around Zagros Mountain or Levant northern parts) reached as far south as Yemen killed all the proto-human/Australoid like men in Yemen and intermingle with their local women and also Coons noted some remenants of proto- Australloid or vedda race in southern Arabia at least not in their pure form.. What do u think ? Please discuss...., So, Am I a mixed race since ancient times? and did/would it really reflect in my genetic makeup in varying degree.Here is a pict. of proto-Australoid I somehow can see superficial resemblance to me :

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    This is extremely simplistic, I suggest you use this as a basic resource for classification:

    https://subracialphenotypes.weebly.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamlet View Post
    This is extremely simplistic, I suggest you use this as a basic resource for classification:

    https://subracialphenotypes.weebly.com/
    I am not talking about phenotypes classification. I am taking about ancient belt theory is it real OOA human haplogroups migration. AFAIK some anthropologists suggested/believe it. What I am trying to know is that, does my admixture(s) is indigenous/native to the region/land that I am from.
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    From what I gather, it goes like this.

    Modern humans first left Africa and went through India, Polynesia, and Australia creating the Australoid race.

    Second modern humans left Africa, mixed with the Neanderthals in the Middle East, and created a Caucasian population. Went west and north to Europe where they developed light skin/eyes/hair.

    Went East, mixed with the Denisovan population, creating the Mongoloid race.

    From then, they went to America, creating the Amerindian race via sexual selection.

    This sounds simplistic, but it is a good start IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdelnour View Post
    From what I gather, it goes like this.

    Modern humans first left Africa and went through India, Polynesia, and Australia creating the Australoid race.


    Second modern humans left Africa, mixed with the Neanderthals in the Middle East, and created a Caucasian population. Went west and north to Europe where they developed light skin/eyes/hair.

    Went East, mixed with the Denisovan population, creating the Mongoloid race.

    From then, they went to America, creating the Amerindian race via sexual selection.

    This sounds simplistic, but it is a good start IMO.
    Modern humans first left Africa and went through India, Polynesia, and Australia creating the Australoid race. What about Yemen? Did the proto-Australoid or veddiod ......pass through Yemen? And what about their remnants/strains noticed by coons and other anthroupolgest in Yemen ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem523 View Post
    Modern humans first left Africa and went through India, Polynesia, and Australia creating the Australoid race. What about Yemen? Did the proto-Australoid or veddiod ......pass through Yemen? And what about their remnants/strains noticed by coons and other anthroupolgest in Yemen ?
    I think Ethiopia/Yemen there were proto-Australoid type people but overall I think they are small in number now and are mixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdelnour View Post
    I think Ethiopia/Yemen there were proto-Australoid type people but overall I think they are small in number now and are mixed.
    This is from the races of man (See fig. no. 4,5 & 6)

    Plate 19. GYPSIES, DARK-SKINNED MEDITERRANEANS, AND SOUTH ARABIAN VEDDOIDS

    The Gypsies, who are believed to have left their home in the lower Indus Valley about the turn of the present millennium, and who arrived in Europe some four centuries later, belong, when comparatively unmixed, to a dark-skinned, small-bodied racial type of general Mediterranean appearance which is common in India.

    FIG.. 1 (2 views, photo V.. Lebzelter, from "Anthropologische Untersuchungen an serbischen Ziguenern," MAGW, vol. 52, 1922). A nomadic Serbian Gypsy, appar- entJy relatively pure, who shows the characteristic Gypsy combination of straight jet black hair, black eyes, and dark skin; in connection with Mediterranean facial features.

    FIG. 2 (2 views).. An English Gypsy of the Cooper family, whose ancestors moved to New England a century ago. Although some of the Coopers and Stanleys are blue- eyed and show other signs of non-Gypsy mixture, this individual possesses a sallow brownish skin, straight, coarse, shiny black hair, and dark brown eyes. He is appar- ently a relatively pure representative of the Gypsy prototype

    FIG.3 (2 views). Of much greater antiquity outside of India is a dark-skinned, black- eyed, and straight-haired Mediterranean type which appears with some frequency in southern Iraq and along the coasts of the Persian Gulf. This young sailor from Kuwait will serve as an example. The origin and affiliations of this type have not as yet been fully explained.

    FIG. 4 (2 views). In southern Arabia, south of the Ruba' el Khali desert, the popula- tions consist of a Mediterranean upper stratum overlaid upon a non-white racial group whose affinities are with the Vedda of Ceylon, and the curly-haired aboriginal tribes of southern India; more remotely, it possesses strong connections with the aborigines of Australia.. The individual shown in

    FIG. 4 is an extreme example of this Veddoid pro- totype. Note the great prognathism, the ringlet hair form, the extreme nasion depres- sion, and the general form of the nose and lips. Except for his light unexposed skin color, this individual, who is quite brown where exposed, could pass for an Australian aborigine.

    FIG. 5 (2 views). A coarse type of Hadhramauti, who represents a mixture between the Veddoid element shown above and the Mediterranean race; or who might be called a less extreme example of the former.

    FIG. 6 (2 views, photo Wm. M. Shanklin). A coarse, dark-skinned type of Ruwalla Bedawi. Among the North Arabian Bedawin, besides the more delicately formed Medi- terranean types already observed, occur individuals who seem to show relationships with the Veddoid element on the other side of the desert, and perhaps also with the deeply pigmented element of southern Iraq, as exemplified by FIG. 3. Tribes and populations possessing these racial elements do not possess the normal 25 per cent of incipi- ent blondism characteristic




    And one more thing, does M30g haplogroup falls into single population (i.e M30g haplogroup = Australoid or veddoid , M35 haplogroup = Papuan etc...?

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