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    JERUSALEM — How long do you think there has been a Jewish temple on Temple Mount in Jerusalem?

    That is a question I like to ask when I’m leading a discussion with Israelis or Jews from other countries. The most common response is, “Two thousand years.” But that’s actually the answer to a separate question: How long ago did the Romans destroy the Second Temple, beginning the Jewish exile?

    According to many scholars, there was a temple on that site for nearly 1,000 years before the Roman destruction. That would mean that for about 3,000 years, Jerusalem has been the center of the Jewish people: a physical center when a temple was standing, and a center for prayer and longing from afar after the Jews were dispersed around the globe. Every year, at the very end of Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the year, and at the end of the Passover Seder, Jews recite, “Next year in Jerusalem.”

    Then the Jews came back. In the 19th century, Jews began building neighborhoods and settling outside the walls of Jerusalem’s Old City. Then the Six-Day War of 1967 ended the short Jordanian rule over the Old City and united Jerusalem under Israeli jurisdiction. But this return has proved more controversial internationally. Even the United States, Israel’s closest ally, has not recognized the city as our capital even though our government has been based there since 1949.

    President Trump will reportedly soon change that, and even announce that he is moving the United States Embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv. “Next year, an American Embassy in Jerusalem” was never in our prayers, but it’s still something we welcome as a sign of support — and a recognition of reality.

    Not that a statement from an American president will actually change Israelis’ commitment to Jerusalem. This is our capital and it always will be. It was taken away from the Jewish people by force. It was recaptured by force. If necessary, it will be preserved under Israel’s jurisdiction by force, too.

    Israel will, of course, embrace Washington’s change of tune on Jerusalem. But the truth is, Mr. Trump’s announcement is not going to change as much as you might expect. History shows that: Last week, the world marked the 70th anniversary of the United Nations’ 1947 vote on the Partition Plan, when the international community formally adopted a plan for a Jewish state alongside an Arab state in Palestine.

    This was an important achievement for the Zionist movement, a cause for celebration and a foundational part of Israel’s history and its legitimacy. But the resolution was not the decisive factor in Israel’s birth. More crucial was the reality on the ground. By the time the United Nations passed the resolution, the foundations for a Jewish state were in place. Jews living in Palestine “had achieved a critical developmental and demographic mass,” as the historian Benny Morris recently explained. They were ready and determined. A United Nations resolution was just icing the cake.

    Similarly, Jerusalem is unmistakably Israel’s capital, whether outsiders accept this fact or not. That’s not to say there aren’t challenges to this reality: The international community is not yet ready to accept it and the Palestinians claim that the city is theirs. The demographic realities are, indeed, tricky. About a third of the city’s residents are Arab. Nonetheless, the facts are the facts.

    In 1947, ahead of the United Nations vote, the C.I.A. warned that “armed hostilities between Jews and Arabs will break out if the U.N. General Assembly accepts the plan to partition Palestine into Jewish and Arab states.” President Harry Truman decided to support partition despite the warnings. The C.I.A. was right; the Arabs responded with violence, leading to Israel’s War of Independence. Thanks to that, the Jewish state was even larger than the borders mandated by the United Nations and the Palestinians still don’t have a state. But Truman was right, too; he proved himself a friend of the Jewish people, willing to take risks for what was right.

    Will a statement recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital ignite a similar round of defiance and violence? It’s possible. Saeb Erekat, a Palestinian negotiator, has said that American recognition would “discourage many of those who still believe that a peaceful solution is achievable,” which sounds a lot like a veiled threat. Hamas, the terrorist organization that controls Gaza, called on Palestinians to “incite an uprising in Jerusalem so that this conspiracy does not pass.”

    It would be a great exaggeration to argue that Mr. Trump bears much resemblance to Harry Truman. But the president — often criticized for being blunt and never shying away from saying what he wants to say — will have his Trumanesque moment by refusing to pretend that Israel has no capital. If violence is the result of that, we will all regret it. But it is worth remembering that Truman’s recognition of Israel was also met with violence — and it is still remembered as a great American moment.

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    Indeed.Read the God damn Bible people.

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    Nobody cares about the Capital of MENA people...

    Capital of Balkans is Constantinople.

    Everything else is irrelevant.

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    The same way that London was a capital of the ancient Romanized Bretonic peoples of England back in Roman times before the Germanic Anglo-Saxons invaded the island and took large chunk of land including the capital city as their own. Does that mean that the English shouldn't have any control over London if that's the case? The problem is that this whole thing is based on abstract things that has no merit and meaning to this whole conflict since that Israel already had declared it as their capital after the 1967 war, and most of the presidents before Trump also proclaimed it as Israel's capital as well including Obama. Trump is literally pouring tensions in the middle east after the fiasco with his Jewish son-in-law. How exactly is this fixing America's problems again? By going to another possible war in the middle east like what happened in Iraq? We'll see what Trump will do after his speech since he DID say that the borders of Jerusalem should be drawn by both parties. In other words, he'll try to force Israel and the newly established government of Palestine to reach a consensus while moving the embassy to Israel's side of Jerusalem via partitioning the city between the two.
    https://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2...-palestinians/

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCree900 View Post
    The same way that London was a capital of the ancient Romanized Bretonic peoples of England back in Roman times before the Germanic Anglo-Saxons invaded the island and took large chunk of land including the capital city as their own. Does that mean that the English shouldn't have any control over London if that's the case? The problem is that this whole thing is based on abstract things that has no merit and meaning to this whole conflict since that Israel already had declared it as their capital after the 1967 war, and most of the presidents before Trump also proclaimed it as Israel's capital as well including Obama. Trump is literally pouring tensions in the middle east after the fiasco with his Jewish son-in-law. How exactly is this fixing America's problems again? By going to another possible war in the middle east like what happened in Iraq? We'll see what Trump will do after his speech since he DID say that the borders of Jerusalem should be drawn by both parties. In other words, he'll try to force Israel and the newly established government of Palestine to reach a consensus while moving the embassy to Israel's side of Jerusalem via partitioning the city between the two.
    https://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2...-palestinians/
    I do feel it may not have been the best time to recognize Jerusalem as the capital as it would cause partition headache, but why do you think a war would happen if the embassy moved there? Sure, there may be riots around the new capital for a few days, but it's nothing really in the long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    I do feel it may not have been the best time to recognize Jerusalem as the capital as it would cause partition headache, but why do you think a war would happen if the embassy moved there? Sure, there may be riots around the new capital for a few days, but it's nothing really in the long term.
    The anger could be deadly, and we've seen with what happened between Lebanon and Israel back in 2006. Also, Israel loves the idea in pushing for war against Iran which is why they're very happy with trump's decision in trying to scrap the Iranian deal that was signed under the Obama administration. In other words, we'll have to wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCree900 View Post
    The anger could be deadly, and we've seen with what happened between Lebanon and Israel back in 2006. Also, Israel loves the idea in pushing for war against Iran which is why they're very happy with trump's decision in trying to scrap the Iranian deal that was signed under the Obama administration. In other words, we'll have to wait and see.
    Any war with iran, that would be it for the entire MENA region and of course the U.S. People underestimate it, but it would be a pretty big mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babak View Post
    Any war with iran, that would be it for the entire MENA region and of course the U.S. People underestimate it, but it would be a pretty big mess.
    Indeed, and that's what's really scary. Let's hope that he wouldn't do anything foolish in the future. If anything, Trump should focus his time and money in fixing America's problems than meddling with middle eastern affairs. This is honestly ridiculous.

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